law banning sale of Childrens used clothing??

It will be like the music industry suing people over illegal downloads. They only hurt themselves by going after people who had maybe downloaded one of two songs or someone else had done it without their knowledge. It made the RIAA look stupid and greedy and petty.

I cannot imagine a judge actually telling a Goodwill to stop reselling clothes or a judge telling a mother that she cannot give her neighbor hand me downs because they haven't been tested.

On the other hand there are some fruitcakes on the bench as well as in Congress, apparently. When did Common Sense and Logic die? I miss it.


Peggy

 

Well, that is going to hurt families who cannot afford new clothing for their children in addition to the onwers of these shops.

We get a large majority of the boys' clothing from children's consignment shops like Kids Junction and fromt he Goodwill.

We can't afford it any other way like most families.

Why wasn't this mentioned by national news on television?

 

But it IS used in making products that is WORN by children under 12. This whole law is just plain stupid. It ranks up there with the law banning our "normal" lightbulbs, and replacing them with bulbs that contain mercury!

 

Guys, the sky is not falling.
They can't possible enforce it.

 

and the PRODUCT that is made by that fabric, yarn, wood .. what ever, is what needs to certificate stating it has been tested and passed.

I have been following this law for a while now.. it's big news in the cloth diaper world, mostly because most cloth diapers and products of the like are made by mom's who sell them. Most people in the CD (cloth diaper) world are very into supporting the little guy, buying homemade products over the big name companies who import their stuff... so this news has been circulating there for a while now.

I'm not sure how it will be enforced, but I'm sure they have plans for that by now.

 

It is a stupid law. Now that I think about it Jennifererix is right. There is NO way they will be able to enforce it.. It's just a political ploy. I always manage to stir something up. LOL

 

We are actually doing a study in sunday school right now about how the bible says our home should be, our government should be, and our church should be. Things like this have come up in discussion. Since God has been removed from our government, and been replaced by man. Government has begun taking over things that should be each persons responsibility. The government basically has decided that American People are too Stupid to think and act for themselves and therefore need EVERYTHING regulated for them. Because somewhere some elderly person didn't save for their retirement the Government decided to begin Social Security, because some mother somewhere lost her child in a car accident because he wasn't in a car seat we now have Car seat laws, because some mother chose to let her child chew on lead paint we now have law to protect the children, because some mother or father somewhere was irresponsible in supervising their children we now have Child endangerment laws...you get the idea...Many of the new laws that are written each day are either common sense or unenforceable....I don't get my shorts in a knot so to speak over new laws until I see the *REAL* effect of that law then I will decide whether or not to act upon it. I believe this is one of those laws that will never get enforced...or if it does it will be spotty at best and I'm sure someone somewhere will find a loop-hole because ALMOST every law has one or more.

 

How have you been following this? I mean, I understand that you are all careful about what products you make cloth diapers with. That, to me, would go without saying law or no law. But does this mean that, once you make the diapers, you have to have someone test each one and give them a certificate of having passed or something? How much does that cost you? And how do you pass that cost on?

 

I am interested to see how the little man would pay for the testing. If thrist stores, who have a flow of cash coming in daily, can't afford to have the testing done, how does a single individual do this. This will be interesting to see for sure.

 

Here is some information that I found on the Consumer Product Safety Commission's Website
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html Here's the link...though below I've copied and pasted the most important sentence.

Sellers of used children�s products, such as thrift stores and consignment stores, are not required to certify that those products meet the new lead limits, phthalates standard or new toy standards.

 

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html

 

Well, that settles at least part of the question! GOOD!

 

I am glad to read that, although the law still stinks.

 

Youguys, the whole world has heard this law.. and you would think the freaking end of the world is coming..

Get this, on one group I belong to, one lady posted something she heard from another site that said something about what some guy said and that come Feb 10th ALL CHILDREN'S BOOKS WILL BE PROHIBITED!


HAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok, everyone needs to calm down...

Also...
There are a number of Internet Pettitions up, now...

People please...
Internet petitions have as much effect on laws as spitting on the sidewalk has on the weather....

Your against this law?
Fine.
Want it repealed?
Great.
But don't waste your time clicking "I AGREE" on some useless internet petition..

WRITE, CALL, or better yet DRIVE to your representatives office and YELL.
THAT will change something....

Peace!

 

Writing and emailing and faxing your reps isn't doing much good on this one... they all feel they have done the right thing, and honestly in many aspects they have, but really the focus needs to be on big manufacturers and not the little person... but because it covers all things made for children then it does hit the little guy.

I do agree that things made/sold originally before Feb 10th do not have to comply with this law, but anything made/sold after Feb 10th does have to comply.

Jackie, it's big news on some websites I'm on that are focused on natural living/parenting... mostly because a LOT of the focus there is on buying things that are earth friendly, support the small person and not the big money making machine we call industry, and helping to keep other mom's at home with their kids by supporting WHAMs. The testing is very out of reach for WHAMs... it can cost anywhere from a few hundred dollars per item to a few thousand. I don't sell what I make, only make for myself, but I do try to keep up with what is going on in the world of WHAMs because someday I would love to be one. Anyway... say I did make diapers to sell... say I made all of my diapers out of the same exact fabric, it all came from the same bolt, all had the same brand of snaps or velcro, all had the same absorbant soaker... then I would have to have one diaper of each size tested... each seperate pattern/style is supposed to be tested. So say I made newborn, small, med, large and extra large.. I would have to send 5 diapers out for testing. Then when I ran out of that fabric and had to start a new bolt then again I would have to send them out to be tested.

Now say I switch my focus to making wool longies, shorties soakers etc... (yes this is my true passion, I love to knit and crochet these things!!!) Each different colorway in each different size is supposed to be tested, and because yarn, esp the common hand dyed by a WHAM (I like to dye my own) used in the WHAM world is usually unique to one or two skeins of yarn that would mean tons and tons of testing. There is no way a WHAM would be able to afford the testing on every pair of longies they sell... which sell for on average $40-60 bucks each for a plain pair, well over $100 for something that is embelished.

I don't feel it is the end of the world, but I do see it hurting an economy that is already struggling. I do see it putting a lot of women who rely on the income of their handy crafts out of work and back in the line to find a "real" job.. and putting their kids into daycare/public school. So far, we do ok, and I don't need to make an income...but we do struggle somethimes, and if I needed to make an income it would most likely be by selling the things I love to make... sadly now I won't even go there, and would have to learn to love making something that was focused on adults.

 

I read today on World Net that consignment/thrift stores will be able to continue as usual. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85638

Sommer, what you wrote is kind of what I'm hearing. It's just too expensive to check everything being made. Wouldn't it be easier for the manufacturer of the raw materials to certify that there is no lead in their product? I mean, if I were manufacturing yarn, I'd know what was going in the yarn I make. So I print a note on each skein going out that it's safe. Then when you buy the yarn and crochet whatever with it, you can tell the buyers that they were made with certified yarn, and they will know they're safe.

I object to a sign in the thrift shop window stating, "WE CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT OUR CHILDREN'S MATERIAL ARE LEAD-FREE" Then the purchaser can make an informed decision as to whether or not they want to take the risk.

EDITED TO SAY: OOPS! I really messed up! I meant to say that I would NOT object to a sign in the thrift shop window!!! That REALLY changes the meaning! SORRY!!!

 

Jackie, I do wish that is how it worked! The yarn I work with is usually 100% wool, I don't think sheep and alpacas are laden with lead, but then once you add dye to it.. which when I dye my own I use acid dyes (no acid isn't in them they are set with acid... you know simple white vinegar). I don't believe there to be lead in the dyes either... but to the government it doesn't matter.

Rhonda just posted a thing about what the government is saying "clarifies" the law... which really just talks in circles like most of the wonderful laws of this country.

 

How utterly dumb in this time of need in our country when most folks can't make ends meet and they are worrying how they are going to feed and cloth their kids. I use the thrift store for my ds because he's hard on clothes and I can't see spending 9 bucks on a shirt that he'll wear once and trash. I'd rather spend .50 cents. Silly, utterly silly.

 

Gosh rhi, 50 cents??? I'm coming to your thrift stores. Honestly, I hardly ever buy clothes at the thrift stores becasue I can find better prices on the clearance racks at Walmart and Sears, our thrift store around here aren't all that cheap.. unless you are looking for books, then they are pennies on the dollar.

 

I can buy Phillip jeans for about $2-3 each at the thrift store. But we also have Once Upon a Child, and they can be pricey for used stuff. Though I can buy soccer shoes there cheaper...about $5-8 a pair, depending on how good they are.