Again in California: Home school parents must have teaching credential

Discussion in 'Homeschooling in the News' started by *Angie*, Mar 6, 2008.

  1. Emma's#1fan

    Emma's#1fan Active Member

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    This is why HSLDA is trying to unpublish the documents. It should only apply to the family, if they did do something wrong. But not to the whole 200,000 homeschoolers in California. This order came down upon all of us. I also read something about the judges using a case from 1950 to support their decision.
     
  2. Emma's#1fan

    Emma's#1fan Active Member

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    I forgot to add that the ISP is private and the Charter is state.
     
  3. Lee

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    This is crazy! I'll be listening to the radio program today if I don't forget. I signed the petition also. They shouldn't punish everyone because of one family. That is always a worry of mine when we travel is that I will have one person who doesn't like homeschooling and causes problems for us. This is why I am part of HSLDA.
     
  4. TeacherMom

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    Yep, and hubby just got done telling me I could continue schooling , I missed the deadline to sign up but this summer I may take some mroe classes, so if I am schooling I should be fine!
    I have two years of college in teaching area, and one of transportation tourism, thats why we love geography in this house! .... so I am close enough not to worry I think even if they get testy here.
    I will admit I stressed out when I first read all the legal mumbo jumbo posted but I then remembered to pray ( DUH!?) and know my steps are ordered of the Lord! I remember starting a thread a while back , last year? That said "What would you do if home schooling became illegal"
    So that gave me more peace realising I already knew what I would do ha!
     
  5. dawninns

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    kbabe1968 - I think doing things like using an ISP was how some parents, including those in the case, were complying with the private school option and the ruling says that that's not good enough.

    Another thing to keep in mind that I just learned is that this decision does NOT effect all Californian homeschoolers. It effects those in the 2nd appelate district (whatever that is).

    And here I am playing the complete devil's advocate but I do have two points concerning the issue being made of the matter. First that people outside the homschooling community may see the furor we're kicking up as a defense of abusive parents and also, that this may urge the state to actually come up with clearer legislation and that may be a worse thing in the long run.

    Again, I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm sort of just watching this and reading about it and bringing up here what I've read elsewhere.
     
  6. dawninns

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    Wow...Thanks for that info!
     
  7. Emma's#1fan

    Emma's#1fan Active Member

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    Where did you read this? I am interesting in reading it.
    The problem with the publication is it CAN be used anywhere in California. This is why HSLDA and others are trying to have it unpublished.
     
  8. dawninns

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    I should have made a note because I can't remember. I think it directly affects those in that district now but it probably could be used as a precident on other cases in other districts. Of course, by that time the decision could also have been appealled.

    Ya know, I think we're going to learn a lot about the law in California! :)
     
  9. Emma's#1fan

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    The Second Appellate District has jurisdiction over Los Angeles, San Luis Obispo, Santa Barbara, and Ventura Counties. BUT, published documents are open for all. This case can be used against a defense. But let us assume you are correct, why should all these counties have to stop homeschooling because of one family?
     
  10. Emma's#1fan

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    I agree!:D This will make an awesome Government/Civics lesson!
     
  11. TeacherMom

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    Well as it could be used it just means we need to be on our toes, you know? Be sure we are doing a good job of teaching and doing what is proper, I think the only people who should worry are those who are slacking and not actually teaching anything to thier kids. No matter what your philosiphys ( OH I spelled that so wrong LOL) learning is nessacary to call your home a home school. If we are not always off playing and are not getting into trouble there will be no need to have alarm.
    Even if one judge decided this , he is not the supreme court and that would be the one we would have to watch for. Unfortunately thats what I read that the hsdla was going for is an apeal to the SC. now that part will scare me because it will get more national attention and that could effect us good or bad.... so that will be where my prayers are heading today!
     
  12. Emma's#1fan

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    It wasn't one judge. It was three.
     
  13. Emma's#1fan

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    We have to remember, that God is in control BUT He also doesn't want us to sit around and not do anything about this. Sadly, many of those who are falsely accused ARE law abiding homeschoolers. They are following regulations.
    We will continue to homeschool as we have been doing, but this doesn't mean we will not be unfairly persecuated for it. I am positive that God is more than aware what it going on, but we need to make a move now before we look back and realize that we waited to long.
     
  14. Laja656

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    So, here's what I'm wondering --- what, exactly, are the laws governing private schools in CA?

    Here in Texas, ALL homeschools are considered 'private schools'.. Private schools in Texas are completely unregulated by the state.... which is why we, as parent/teachers, aren't required to complete any courses or earn a degree.

    That's where this whole mess should start..... if private schools are unregulated in CA also..... then I don't see how they can force these kids into PS.

    It's SO confusing right now...UGH! I'm just glad I'm in TX!
     
  15. Emma's#1fan

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    California private schools; homeschools, operate under the same brick and mortar law as privately funded private schools. However, we need to teach the same subjects the public schools teach.
    IF, and this is a BIG IF, parents are neglecting their child's education, then the parent should put the child into public school. But the problem with this ruling is it has fallen on the laps of ALL homeschoolers in California.
    Usually, in a case, the ruling is for or against the one party.
     
  16. 3angelsmom

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    Okay, that's good then. I read an article that refered to the decision as new legislation. I am very glad to hear it isn't! I've been reading so much, trying to figure out what is going on and how it effects my family.
    I do think there should be some type of regulations to ensure children are getting a proper education, but I don't think a parent has to have a teaching credential to do a good job.
     
  17. Lee

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    This all comes down to child endangerment. They found one family who happens to homeschool and the homeschoolers are now getting the discipline. What about all the other thousands of families that mistreat their children who attend ps. They slap them on the hand or eventually pull them out of the home. They should be focusing on the childs welfare not the issue of homeschooling. You're always going to have some bad eggs no matter where it is.
     
  18. TeacherMom

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    Lee I totaly agree, this is how some folks tend to put a bad name on home schooling.
    I have a friend that thier family didn't like that they home schooled and sicked CPS on them they had to learn how to teach everything perfect the first time to show that it was not as the family said.
    In this case the way the world is teaching our children about 'reporting your parents' I am not suprised the way this came to be known. Of course they must have evidence for it to go this far, but how many kids get taken from homes who just got mad at their parents and lied? And how many more do not get taken out and die because of leaniancy. I am glad I never went into Social Work as I was thinking of doing years ago it would kill me to try to keep up.
     
  19. Jackie

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    From what I've read, the original complaint came from a young teen who didn't like the rules Daddy put on her. So she claimed she was abused. There was NOTHING in the court documents that substantiated that claim. One reason they are DEMANDING the kids be put in a school is so that the teachers can monitor any problems IF any occur. They are ASSUMING the guilt WITHOUT evidence of it. If there is abuse, then deal with it. But if not, there's no reason at all for the family to quit homeschooling.

    I believe California has been waiting for an opportunity to push the laws. They know that homeschoolers have found a loophole in their law. And this has provided them with an opportunity to close it up. And right now, with the new law regarding the strong push of the homesexual agenda in the schools, they NEED to close it up. Too many parents in California are trying to remove thier children for that reason.
     
  20. dawninns

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    California has always had that opportunity though. The law is the same as what it was before the decision. The fact that homeschoolers were given the flexibility they have been suggests just the opposite, that the state was quite satisfied with the state of homeschooling in the state. If they had wanted to somehow impede people from homeschooling in California they always had the means to do so.
     

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