Child Services take newborn...very scary

Discussion in 'Homeschooling in the News' started by shelby, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. shelby

    shelby New Member

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    I just read that. Super scary!


    (And people wonder why I think only women with medical reasons should birth in a hospital. sheesh)
     
  4. Meg2006

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    omg, that is incredibly scary!!!
     
  5. Emma's#1fan

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    I read it last night and was shaking my head.
     
  6. 2littleboys

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    I remember being bullied in the hospital with my first, but not with my second. I'd wised up by then. (Both were c-sections, so home birth wasn't an option.)
     
  7. mkel

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    This is utterly terrifying. I have chills from reading that article.
     
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    I can't imagaine the fear tbe parents felt and the thought that they might lose their daughter. What happened in tragic and the people involved (not the parents of course) should have a serious consequense and be fired. Makes me so mad!
     
  9. shelby

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    I think the hospital should be sued! and the Drs and Nurses and the CPS Worker FIRED! Make the all pay.... LOL...

    I was so mad when I read that... now wonder more women want home births! I wish I could have had one.. first a c section than my 2nd I had a wonderful Christian Dr. who let me have a VBAC... thankfully!
     
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    So scary!!
    When I had my daughter, the nurse asked if I was ready to have my tubes tied!!! I was 20 years old, and just went through labor.... What a crazy question, no mother should be asked that kind of life changing question in such an emotionally charged time. My sister told the nurse that she must have the wrong room :)
     
  11. Meg2006

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    I am definately all for people who want a home birth. I respect and admire them. But If I would have done that with Marion he would not have lived. I guess that's the risk women take though. You just don't know until it's that time.
     
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    There are SO many things wrong in that story! Every single person who had a hand in that couple's situation should be without a job.
     
  13. Jackie

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    Rachael probably wouldn't have survived a home birth, either.

    There has got to be a way to make the hospital and the people involved accountable for their actions. My understanding is that HSLDA wants to take it on. Good luck to them!
     
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    (Which is why I said that 'unless medically necessary' part. Midwives, like in this situation, know when to direct a mother to the hospital. Did you know that, nationwide, midwives have a lower infant mortality rate than OBs?)

    HSLDA is looking into how they can help this family and they are asking for donations to do so. They don't think it's right, obviously, to use funds members pay towards homeschool legal issues to take on a non-homeschooling issue. There is a "donate" link for this on their website. Every dollar would help.
     
  15. Jackie

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    The infant mortality rate is lower for midwives because they know when they're out of their league. If there's any indication of a dangerous situation, the midwife backs off and sends the patient to a doctor. That's the "medically necessary" part :).

    Doctors, however, can't keep just the relatively easy births. They have to deal with all the complications, with the malnurished moms, under-age moms, crack babies, etc. Of course they're going to have a higher mortality rate.
     
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    I don't think I'm coming across right...

    Believe me, I fully understand that some births would not have gone well if mom had tried to have baby at home. My original comment was made out of frustration with the system. Right from birth we (as a culture) intentionally put ourselves into the (largely) unnecessary position of having someone else direct the well-being of our children. We dutifully go to the hospital because it's the "right" thing to do. We labor only in the "allowed" positions, even though nature, history, and science agree that those positions are not only unproductive, but often harmful. We let doctors have the final say in what we can and can't do with our infants. We let the state dictate requirements that must be fulfilled prior to release (i.e. in some states you cannot legally turn down the Vit. K. shot). We let hospitals give us an even longer list (some hospitals will not release baby until mom has taken infant CPR). It's not that any of the things are necessarily harmful to baby (ok, Vit. K is to many babies), it's that they are mandating how we parent right from birth! Often for clerical reasons (like when I had to stop nursing mid-session and hand a screaming, hungry baby over to the charge nurse because all babies MUST be in the nursery when the shift changed).

    So my frustration is not with moms who must, for the well-being of them and their babies, must endure these intrusions in order to bring a healthy baby into the world. My frustration is with a system that convinces mothers who would otherwise have perfect deliveries, free of intrusions and mandates, that the hospital is the normal, socially acceptable place to birth.
     
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    Oh, I agree, Amie! When Phillip was born, I had to have a home nurse come in to check on him, can't remember why. She asked all kinds of intrusive questions that had nothing to do with his health, such as how much food we had on hand in case of an emergency. He was born Dec. 1999, just before "Y2K", so I did have a good bit on hand, but that was all beside the point. It had NOTHING to do with her stated purpose of coming. I was too tired to care, but Carl had a fit when he heard. Rachael was born with (relatively minor) complications. As a result, they wanted to do a hearing test on her. I very specifically told them ONLY WITH ME PRESENT. This was for purely professional reasons; I had learned how to give hearing tests, and I was curious to see one done on an infant. And my wishes were totally ignored. Sure, they had some excuse, but that was all it was.

    I get so frustrated with women who just go ahead and schedule an induction two weeks ahead of time. (My neighbor right now, who is really a lovely lady otherwise, lol!) A lot like those who think only educrats are capable of teaching their children....
     
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    When I read that story it seemed like there were so many holes in the story. From the shot for the mom, and then the hepatitis shot for the child. Something was definately wrong, sounds like the hospital made a mistake and were trying to place blame. JMO

    What a horrible thing for those parents to go through. I remember when I had my daughter. My dh stayed over night with me, and he left to go home and shower. Of course when he wasn't there a team of Doctor's came into my room and woke me up. To tell me there was something wrong with my daughter heart and I could stay in bed while they took her for testing. While I was groggy I agreed. Then I jumped up out of bed to go with them to do chest x-ray's and an exam. Turns out she does have a substanial heart condition and will be monitored for the rest of her life. But, they allowed me to go. They recommended I didn't but still allowed me to tag along.
     
  19. MomToMusketeers

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    In cases like this, I never understand what they got out of it. The officious ignoramuses, I mean...Why torture this poor family, and worse, why torture an innocent newborn who needs its mother more than anything else in the world. Why why why is what always goes through my head.

    I agree with ActressDancer completely. From birth we are told how to raise our children, and rejected when we refuse to follow the norm. When my DS2 was born, they put him under a lamp for a week, because his biliruben was too high...

    I didnt go home at all that week, so I could be there to breastfeed (Thank you Macdonalds, for providing sleeping facilities in hospitals for mothers like me)...a nurse comes up to me while I'm nursing my baby, who was otherwise perfectly healthy, and shakes her head disapprovingly: "you dont have enough milk, we are going to have to put in an IV if you continue to refuse formula. Breastmilk is not enough. Don't you want your baby to go home?"
    I pushed her out of the 6th floor window. Well, no, not really...but in my mind I did.

    But I did tell her off, so much so that she avoided me in the future.

    The movie "Babies" really pointed out this aspect of western life to me. It follows 4 (I think?) babies, born in different parts of the world, for 1 year...and shockingly, the baby born on the dirt floor in the desert of Namibia (?), with only his mother and one other woman present, thrives and develops at the same rate as the baby born in San Fransisco's state of the art hospital. The little toddler playing with a goat in his home in Mongolia is no less smart than the little Japanese baby with all her high tech toys...
    Interesting movie :)
     
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    I hate that it's Hershey Medical. I've only ever had the highest opinion of them. If my children needed serious care, I would have chosen Hershey over all others. In fact, when my son needed a foreign object removed from his lungs, I drove to Hershey rather than go to the hospital two blocks away from his pediatrician. I wouldn't have trusted any other place with my three year old. I sure hope that the individuals responsible will be held accountable so as to not mar the whole hospital.
     
  21. Emjay

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    I don't understand why the hospital did all those things in the first place unless they thought she was an addict of some sort. But why would they think that in the first place.

    There's pros and cons to all birthing options. My first was a hospital birth and a lot of unnecessary cr*p happened like a large episiotomy without a local which they only gave after the placenta was out and then they started stitching before it kicked in. The midwives forgot to give me pain relief a few hours later so I couldn't move to tend to my screaming baby and the buzzer was out of reach too. The lady next to me had to complain about the noise for a midwife to come see what the matter was. The next day I passed a bloodclot? the size of a liver and bleed all over the floor and the midwive told me off. :roll:

    Second birth was a planned homebirth and Anaia was born with her cord around her neck twice and her arm once. They untangled her and then gave her mouth to mouth then a bit of oxygen then gave her to me. People say that's why I should've had her in a hospital but they would've handled it exactly the same in hospital. We're planning a homebirth for this baby to if the placenta move high enough in time.

    My SIL had her first baby in hospital and he died because of a long labour that wasn't progressing and because the cord was around his neck and because the doctor said she just had to push harder.

    You can't sue hospitals in New Zealand, even in the case where one doctor killed a baby (used forceps with such force he was dragging the mum down the bed even with her husband holding her under her arms, resulting in sever intracranial hemorrhage in the baby. Then when he was aiding the birth of the placenta he somehow managed to rip the cord from the baby's tummy and the baby lost 1/3 - 1/2 its blood. Then he bullied the assisting midwives to lie about what had happened and about how much blood the baby lost. He then skipped the country and changed his name. Turns out the hospital knew he had a dodgy past but employed him anyway. Scary thing is he's probably still practicing.
     

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