I just met a mom who hs her dc. she is using ati, and is very involveed in the bill gothard ministry. is this a dangerous ministry? when i googled, it looked like the camps are scary? it that true? does anyone know anything about it?? focus on the family said that they think he is a good preacher, but dont agree with him on all things?? it is hard to explain. at first i was so excited, bc this mom seems so right for me. i mean as a friend. she is courtship minded, very strict in how they dress, and what they watch, very very conservative christian. so she started talking about the curriculum, and then started telling me how they go to all the conferences and her children attend the camps, etc. it seemed great. well, i started googling this, and it seems that some christian orgs call bill gothards org a type of christian cult. you know how we were just discussing the sabath, and how when Jesus came, we were not held by the laws and rules of the new testament, etc? well, he seems like he thinks we should still be held by those laws. first of all, he doesnt believe you should be able to divorce for any reason except if the marriage is incest. not beatings, not anything. his view of courtship takes all the choice away from the child. it isnt their decision, they have to do what the parents say,no matter how they feel about the suitor. he believes that we shouldnt eat milk and meat together, ?? cant remember, something about leviticus., he believes that cabbage patch kid dolls create monsters in children. he believes that demons are in a family line, and that if you had a troubled teen in your families past, you could be demon possessed. the camps have reports of serious abuse. He suggests that, unless they have parental consent, adult single children should remain at home and that married couples should exercise what seems to be excessive dependence on the counsel of their parents (even if the parents are unsaved and in spite of Psalm 1). he told married couples to abstain from physical relations: 1. During the wife’s menstrual cycle; 2. Seven days after the cycles; 3. 40 days after the birth of a son; 4. 80 days after the birth of a daughter; and 5. The evening prior to worship.14he told married couples to abstain from physical relations: 1. During the wife’s menstrual cycle; 2. Seven days after the cycles; 3. 40 days after the birth of a son; 4. 80 days after the birth of a daughter; and 5. The evening prior to worship.14 he teaches there is only a certain way a church service should be run, and to do any other way is sinning. here is his order, “1. Enter with praise 2. Give sermon first 3. Confirm message with singing and testimonies 4. Examine self with Communion 5. Unite in righteous prayer 6. Conclude with the offering. Equally serious is Gothard’s misunderstanding of key doctrines. The Advanced Seminar Textbook offers “operational definitions.”30 They are misleading and wrong. “The Grace of God,” which is God’s unmerited favor, is defined as: “The desire and power to reproduce ourselves spiritually.” In this redefining and recasting of grace, Gothard does not even come close. The source of grace is God, not ourselves. It is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9). There is no perfect denomination or teacher. However, Jesus warned us to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees (Matthew 16:6). This has to do with additions and the adding of human error to truth. It has to do with creating traditions and building into the texts what is not really there. It has to do with creating elaborate systems of practice that in the end are a subtle diversion from the pure Word of God and the New Covenant. ok, some of this i copied and pasted to not take so long, but this sounds like his org is very legalistic. like you have to do exactly as he says or you are going to hell. i dont know, help me understand this stuff. although i agree in theory on some things, i dont like the way he presents it. im just feeling a very weird feeling, something i have never encountered bfore, like the Holy Spirit is trying to stear me clear of this. it sounds cultish to me, am i wrong? help me out, do you guys have any other info on him? sorry so long, can you help me?