Pray for the ruling to be overturned :(

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  1. northernmomma

    northernmomma New Member

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    Our Ontario Superior Court has just ruled that prostitution should be legalized. I am really saddened by this ruling. For the most part the community I live in pop. 75000 is clean and hardworking. A quiet place with little serious crime. I am concerned that this ruling will change that to a large extent. Our city police had just cracked down on prostitution in our community arresting all two prostitutes in the community. Now the gov't says it's ok. Well what about the citizens who don't want to be subjected to seeing streetwalkers in our beautiful city. :( Please pray that the Supreme Court of Canada over turns this ruling.
     
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    Actressdancer New Member

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    I will certainly be praying. I <3 Ontario and couldn't imagine the beauty and grandeur being tarnished by such a disgusting industry.
     
  4. Gwenhwyfar

    Gwenhwyfar New Member

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    my understanding of this is that it has the potential to actually REDUCE the numbers of women who are "on the streets" because they no longer run the risk of losing everything they own if they "work out of their own home"....

    "Terri-Jean Bedford, Valerie Scott and Amy Lebovitch had argued that prohibitions on keeping a common bawdy house, communicating for the purposes of prostitution and living on the avails of the trade force them from the safety of their homes to face violence on the streets."

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    "Women who have the ability, the wherewithal and the resources and the good judgment to know that moving indoors will protect them now have that legal option. They do not have to weigh their safety versus compliance with the law."

    (from a news article)

    i have a serious problem with CHILD prostitution/exploitation - ie, teenage runaways who are forced into that lifestyle, etc. don't get me wrong! that's an entirely different thing. ENTIRELY.

    but i don't have a problem with a consenting adult who chooses to work in the sex industry.

    (prostitution *itself* wasn't/isn't illegal in canada anyway ~ everything else was. living off the avails, communicating for the purposes of, etc etc.)

    and hi from another canadian :cool:
     
  5. Gwenhwyfar

    Gwenhwyfar New Member

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    ontario is beautiful, yes :love: (ok my toronto born&raised husband would argue with me on that but only because he's never seen any of his home province EXCEPT the city LOL -- the northern areas in particular i remember being beautiful when my cousin and i drove through years ago...i remember a waterfall...oh what was its name... there was a story about an indian princess who led her tribe's enemies over the falls or something....anyway - back to the topic)

    your *personal opinion* is that this particular line of work is "disgusting" -- and that's totally okay; you don't have to work in it. i don't think it's entirely fair though, to want the choices of other adults limited based on your own personal opinion of those choices. know what i mean?
     
  6. Meg2006

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    Ditto X100.
     
  7. CrystalCA

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    Living by a county where prostitution is legal and my county it isn't, I have to say I wish I lived in the county where IT IS legal!

    They are clean (streets, brothel area), they don't walk the streets (they can't under the law), they are tested weekly (none of the streetwalkers are!) and it keeps that stuff OFF the streets. The brothels and private houses are away from businesses, schools and other homes (per the law).

    In my county (were it isn't legal but they don't care) my dh has to call the cops or run off people on his WORK property because they are doing *IT* in the car or blo* ing someone in the bushes!
    I never in the 7+ years have seen that in the legal county, I have several friends with small children and teens that live in the legal county and say we couldn't pay them to live in mine because of all the trash that is running around here.

    Constanting ADULTS should have this option. Is Amsterdam totally crime ridden? And certain drugs are legal there as well !!

    It is actually great to legalize it from a health standpoint as well, it will help not having a pimp take your money and beat you, it will help keep most children off the streets (not entirely because there are still people that will exploit children no matter what) and it will bring in much needed tax income.
     
  8. Ava Rose

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    This was not directed at me. However, I share the same opinion. Laws limit the choices of adults all the time...even the ones you agree with I'm sure. I don't think heroin should be legalized so drugs could be sold in respectable establishments and not on the streets.

    Besides, people cannot sell people...even if you are trying to sell yourself.

    I know you can poke holes in any argument I have...no time to really make a stand. lol. I do see the other side to this as far as women not walking the streets, blood tests...blah blah blah...but no matter what I cannot condone a course of action that makes this legal. So if I were to vote, I'd vote NO.
     
  9. Meg2006

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    So, it's okay to do something morally wrong as long as it brings in the tax income? Seen or unseen, it's still wrong. And I'd agree with Ava Rose and say that people shouldn't sell people for any reason, and you shouldn't be able to "Sell yourself" either.
     
  10. Gwenhwyfar

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    tricky ground.

    whose morals are we using? ;)
     
  11. Embassy

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    I heard this on the news last night. You can't legislate morality. Laws won't make people act morally. IMO, if we want prostitution to decrease we need to spread the message of Christ.
     
  12. Gwenhwyfar

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    we "sell ourselves" all the time...

    when my husband goes off to work each morning, his employer is paying him for the use of his body & mind.
     
  13. Gwenhwyfar

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    by the way ~ i hope it's not viewed as 'rude' for a new member to hop into a (potentially) heated type discussion... i'm canadian & this is canadian news, so i certainly have an interest in it. plus i love a good discussion anyway ~ even if i disagree with some of ya. :cool:
     
  14. JenPooh

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    It's common sense, IMO!;)

    And the example you used of your husband is comparing apples to oranges...is your husband having sex for money? Totally different...

    Embassy...amen...:angel:
     
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    While I am all for everyone's freedom to make whatever kinds of choices one can make, I can never, ever support anything that is considered evil temptation, filthy, and down right un-Christ in God's eyes.
     
  16. Gwenhwyfar

    Gwenhwyfar New Member

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    it was an honest question...the other person said:

    "So, it's okay to do something morally wrong"

    ...when we label something as "morally wrong", we're using standards (which may be shared with some and not shared with others)...do we have the right to apply those standards to people who don't share them? sometimes? always? never?

    my example was specific to the "selling ourselves" phrase. he is, indeed, selling his services - both physical (labour) and mental (mind).
     
  17. Ava Rose

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    Oh geesh...I really don't have the energy for this. Honestly there is NO way I can justify my position in a way that will satisfy you since my position is from a Christan point of view. I think it's wrong and disgusting. Yep..that's it. I don't think it should be legalized because it's immoral. Yep...I based this on what I think and feel and maybe that is unfair. LOL. I never should have responded to this since honestly I do not have a logical objective argument and don't have the time to develop one if there is one to be made. So I'm out. lol. No hard feelings.
     
  18. Ava Rose

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    Yeah..what she said.
     
  19. Gwenhwyfar

    Gwenhwyfar New Member

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    we're looking at this from two very different "worldviews" (i think that word works?) ~ and i can totally respect you're right to 'not support' something that you view in that way. :cool:

    do you respect the right of other people to support it though? to participate in it? particularly people who don't share the same "worldview" as you do, and therefore don't judge things by biblical standards? (i'm asking that in the interest of honest discussion - i'm interested. if you don't want to say anything, that's all good too.)
     
  20. Ava Rose

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    Not rude at all! Glad to have you. :) Welcome to the Spot. Here even those who disagree are friends.
     
  21. Ava Rose

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    That wasn't for me...but I like to stick my nose in. LOL. Oh wait..I said i was done..LOL.

    I respect freedom. So if someone wants to support it..whatever. I really don't care what individuals think and I expect the world to go to hell in a handbasket..LOL.

    Here's the thing...we cannot live in a world where the Christan worldview can live side by side on all issues as a Secular worldview. We just can't. This is not about tolerance or love or acceptance...we just think and view world differently. I can respect your right to believe what you want and I do...we can disagree..but at the end of the day we will vote differently at the polls and one side will win and one will lose. Anyone selling something else is selling a gimmick. We can all be friends...but we are so different in worldview that on some topics we will forever disagree. That's it.
     

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