Ho-ly cow!

I really like the comment by SenseCommon, though.

Chantz- 'many teens and 'tweens' are experimenting at earlier ages'

Yes, they are. And yes, they need proper non-moralistic religious based sex ed. And condoms! But last time I checked, a tween was at least 10 years old. Six year olds do not need condoms. Or at the least they should need condoms, and if they do, then they should be getting legal and psychiatric help, not condoms! Sex ed is fine for all five year olds, but not condoms.

People who think children should have the same rights and knowledge as adults are what gives liberals a bad name. But hey, why not, let's hand out condoms to preschoolers too. No, even better, all infants the second they're born. Hell, maybe we can open up the womb, and give a condom to the fetus too. Since people like Chantz don't believe that age (and maturity) do not matter in what you do and do not do.
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Talk about real sense from the left. Of course I don't agree with even older teens having sex, but this response is sound reasoning. I especially like what he said about a 6yo who needs a condom needs legal or psychiatric help first.
 
I read the article and took the poll posted by a Massachusetts law firm here
Interestingly, almost 75% have voted that the school should not be allowed to do this. Only 25% voted yes. Yet they did it. I wonder how they get away with it? Could it be because parents don't become involved? Who is really at fault here, the school or the parents?
 
OMG :shock:!!! IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS??? That is absolutely insane !!!

I only discovered a couple years ago that a child in our high school can go to the school nurse on the days she is in the school to request a "handful" of condoms :eek:

Sexual education from home was always talked about prior to that but when I learned of this fact, I really stepped it up even more. I hope and pray that they would wait until they're married, but if they're going to engage prior to they know their facts (and in the case of my older two, I wasn't dainty about it... I showed them the gorey reality of all the STD's etc... the benefits of having healthcare textbooks in the house lol).
 
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Countrygal said:
I read the article and took the poll posted by a Massachusetts law firm here
Interestingly, almost 75% have voted that the school should not be allowed to do this. Only 25% voted yes. Yet they did it. I wonder how they get away with it? Could it be because parents don't become involved? Who is really at fault here, the school or the parents?
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I think they actually shut parents out of the decision-making. The educrats are the only brilliant ones who knows what's best for our children. Why listen to the unenlighted parents? They would have us back in the dark ages where women are possessions and locked away until marriage!
 
Brenda said:
I only discovered a couple years ago that a child in our high school can go to the school nurse on the days she is in the school to request a "handful" of condoms :eek:
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In Missouri it is legal for schools to transport girls to get abortions. And since there are zero abortion clinics in Missouri (at least as of two years ago), that means transporting them across state lines. And they are forbidden from telling parents. So you send your daughter to school, thinking she's there all day, when really she's in Arkansas having a major medical procedure, and you pick her up from school totally unaware of her medical needs following the procedure...

But the schools can't hand out Tylenol for a headache. :roll:
 
Jackie said:
I think they actually shut parents out of the decision-making. The educrats are the only brilliant ones who knows what's best for our children. Why listen to the unenlighted parents? They would have us back in the dark ages where women are possessions and locked away until marriage!
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It really sounds like that is the case. Which is why the felt the need to include a provision preventing parents from objecting. They KNEW parents would object.
 
Actressdancer said:
In Missouri it is legal for schools to transport girls to get abortions. And since there are zero abortion clinics in Missouri (at least as of two years ago), that means transporting them across state lines. And they are forbidden from telling parents. So you send your daughter to school, thinking she's there all day, when really she's in Arkansas having a major medical procedure, and you pick her up from school totally unaware of her medical needs following the procedure...

But the schools can't hand out Tylenol for a headache. :roll:
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Never mind that transporting a child across state lines without parental permission is considered kidnapping, or so I thought!
 
Jackie said:
Never mind that transporting a child across state lines without parental permission is considered kidnapping, or so I thought!
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Yes, that argument has been made. Though it's fallen on deaf ears. Apparently all the "normal" laws go out the window when we're talking about "reproductive rights."

I haven't looked into this since the news broke a few years ago. I hope it's been overturned or somehow limited since.

I also want to know this:
Abortions are not cheap. Last I checked (for research, not personal) they were about $500. Where on Earth do these teens get that kind of cash without mom or dad noticing!!!!?????

[Sorry, I've been rather tangential lately, haven't I?]
 
In most states, the legal age for consensual sex is 14 or 16 years old. Why are the schools handing out condoms to children who, by law, are not old enough to have a sex?
What's the point? Or is the school encouraging underage sex?
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Marty
 
Yikes. Yes the morals of some of these school boards should come into play. However let us not judge too harshly. Some of these children in question have awful upbringings and no guidance. And yes they should have condoms rather then get pregnant at 11. I recall my ob, a woman, practically cried when she recounted seeing preteens in her office. She went on to say they aren't physically ready for being pregnant and it ruins them for life. It's heartbreaking but a reality of the moral decay in our society. I pray my kids have the morals to wait but should they not. I pray they have access to all that will keep them healthy.
As to transporting across state lines without informing the parents. That is wrong. Parents need to be informed. And if the school is worried what the outcome of informing a parent is then maybe they should arrange for a counsellor to sit in as a mediator. Often teens/kids work situations up in their minds about telling the parents as far more scary then the reality would be. Aborting babies without giving the grandparents or father any rights to that unborn child is wrong. And it breaks my heart. I discovered from my sister that one of my brothers ex girlfriends aborted his child and he still doesn't know. She was friends with my sister and told her. It has been years. But it makes me sad because I know my brother wasn't given the opportunity to make any decision and I know he would have stepped up and done the right thing. I also lost out on knowing that child. :( There is always someone who cares. Its very sad.
 
northernmomma said:
As to transporting across state lines without informing the parents. That is wrong. Parents need to be informed. And if the school is worried what the outcome of informing a parent is then maybe they should arrange for a counsellor to sit in as a mediator. Often teens/kids work situations up in their minds about telling the parents as far more scary then the reality would be.
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It's more about the fact that most of the time the law protects women from having to tell anyone, even their parents. It would be illegal for the school to divulge that information to parents, even via mediator. Reproductive "rights" are a really big deal.


Aborting babies without giving the grandparents or father any rights to that unborn child is wrong. And it breaks my heart. I discovered from my sister that one of my brothers ex girlfriends aborted his child and he still doesn't know. She was friends with my sister and told her. It has been years. But it makes me sad because I know my brother wasn't given the opportunity to make any decision and I know he would have stepped up and done the right thing. I also lost out on knowing that child. :( There is always someone who cares. Its very sad.
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I'm so sorry that you missed out on that child's life. It's breaks my heart, too. Have you read Tilly by Frank Peretti? It's a quick read, but really emotional.
 
Marty said:
In most states, the legal age for consensual sex is 14 or 16 years old. Why are the schools handing out condoms to children who, by law, are not old enough to have a sex?
What's the point? Or is the school encouraging underage sex?
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Marty
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That's another good point! I hadn't thought of that.
 
When I was pregnant with my oldest son, I remember being told by a classmate that I was being irresponsible for planning to give him up for adoption... this from the very same person who, three years early, aborted an unborn child and can no longer have children :shock:

Abortion is murder... murder is just WRONG (in my opinion anyway). So basically, you have these educators who think they know best encouraging our youth to murder... WOW

Every fetus aborted is a child WANTED by adoptive parents because they can't have thier own... I'm sorry, I'll get off my soap box... touchy topic for me
 
I have a few problems with this, but the number one issue is the same one I KEEP having...

Why has it been determined that most parents don't care, and that the schools are the only ones educating our children?

I have yet to meet a parent who was completely uninvolved with their kids. They may parent differently than I do- heck I might not even like how they parent. But they are INVOLVED directly in raising their kids.

Even my school teacher friend said, "so many parents just don't care" so the schools have to do certain things (we were talking about something else.). Who are these parents??

I know plenty of people below the poverty line. No, their kids don't go to 20 activities a week, but they CARE and because of that actually spend MORE time together.

The parents with more money do have their kids in a ton of activities- which means LESS parental involvement... but they care, as well.

I just think the idea that most parents don't give a hoot about their kids is rubbish. There may be a few of those parents who aren't talking to their kids about sex, who don't pay attention to homework, etc etc. But they must be the small minority no matter what the policy makers and schools want to lead us to believe.

The last line in that really fired me up. If parents say nope, not my kid, who the h*** is the school to determine they don't have to listen? Whose kids are we talking about, anyway?!
 
Meghan said:
The last line in that really fired me up. If parents say nope, not my kid, who the h*** is the school to determine they don't have to listen? Whose kids are we talking about, anyway?!
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En Loco Parentis.

They are the school's children.

And if the UN treaty on the Rights of a Child is ratified by the USA, we'll only see more and more of this type of denial of parental authority.
 
Meghan said:
The parents with more money do have their kids in a ton of activities- which means LESS parental involvement... but they care, as well.
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It has been my experience that it's the kids who come from a 'wealthier' home who tend to be the ones out partying, drinking, and in this community having unprotected sex resulting in astronomical number of teenage pregnancies. I shouldn't stereo type like that but it's what I see around here.
 
Brenda said:
It has been my experience that it's the kids who come from a 'wealthier' home who tend to be the ones out partying, drinking, and in this community having unprotected sex resulting in astronomical number of teenage pregnancies. I shouldn't stereo type like that but it's what I see around here.
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Interesting.

Around here it is the lower-income kids who are overly busy with a dozen extracurriculars that have free time to party/drink/sex. Or perhaps it's just the lower income kids who can't afford to take care of things privately. Our high school in the low-income area is the one with a school funded, on-site daycare. Maybe the richer families can just pay out of pocket or grandma is home anyhow to raise the child. IDK. I don't know that it really matters one way or another, but lower SES levels do have a higher national rate of teen pregnancies.
 
Actressdancer said:
They are the school's children.
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This has been one of my scarier realizations as an adult.

I had initially sent my children to school for an education. I wanted them to have some social experience :roll: as well, but I certainly didn't realize how much of a... social educator school really is.

I'm not sure if I was duped, or if the info that was around when I was younger made it seem more like a place of learning. As my teacher friend stated, school teaches kids to be good office employees. If you want better for yours, you need to cross your fingers and hope they beat the odds.

My husband's reaction to the news was even more poignant, "There won't be any Einsteins". (my reaction: there will, but they will be homeschooled kids)


It's way too much 1984 for me. With a little Brave New World thrown in for good measure.
 
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