But we're not supposed to be closed to any that are lost. Don't we enter the Mission Field every time we walk out of our house? The same thing should happen here, online. This is a mission field. He needed help.
Ok, maybe he didn't mention names and maybe I took his statement all wrong, I will admit to that. I've definitly thought wrong before. I guess maybe it was his obnoxiousness that got in the way of helping me to see that he needed to be reached. When someone comes off as arrogant as he did, it's hard for me to see past the attitude. There are a couple of statements that upset me. "A boy need right & wrong.He need a moral compass,He needs role models & heros.Jesus aint the one though." and all of post 21 upset me in a way that made me feel more angry than pity. Now that I go back and look, I can take it into a different prespective, but when I first read it I was a bit peeved. That's why I didn't reply too much...didn't want to eat my words and start an even bigger debate.
You misunderstood what I meant. I meant that a person, in this case RB, might be closed to what others might say, but would be open to what you would say. Yes, we should be open to speak to anyone we meet. But sometimes speaking could actually do more harm. If peron A has a relationship with person B, and person C steps in (who person A REALLY doesn't like) and speaks up, it could cause person A to be more closed to person B. Does that make sense? I believe in speaking up, but also in praying for those "carefully chosen words", as you put it. Perhaps it isn't so much carefully chosen words, but words God has given us through His wisdom, knowing exactly what that person needs to hear. And sometimes I think God tells us to keep quiet.
Exactly what I'm saying, Jen. And most of us, me included, have an attitude that was hard for HIM to see past. Becky, on the other hand, is very unique in her way of thinking. That made him able to listen to her in a way that he wouldn't for any of us.
Oh, he peeved me plenty! The ding-dong. WE were the wrong ones here, because we all took his silliness for real. If we had all treated his hot air for what it was, hot air, it wouldn't have gotten as far as it did. He probably would have still cut up, but not as roughly.
AND he still would be here, where those of us he would listen to would be able to talk to him, while those of us he wouldn't listen to would learn to just shut up and pray silently until God gave us the go-ahead to put in our two-cents worth.
He listened to everybody, didn't he? He heard everyone out. I didn't see where he told anyone he didn't want their opinion. Actually, he wanted everybody's opinion that's why he came on so comically- he was cutting up. The problem came in when he was believed.
I'm not sure he DID listen to everyone, but I've been known to be wrong before. But I agree with your overall sumation of the situation.
Actually He does. He's kept people from doing many a thing when they have no explanation why they didn't. An example - Dylan and Eric intended to kill HUNDREDS in the columbine killing. They killed 13. Talk about a foiled plan! God protects us when we don't even know it. We only are touched by those terrible events when He allows it. His children are protected by His hand of love.
You are taking it as though he insulted you personally and he DID NOT. Did he say 'Brenda, your boys, and just your boys, will not be able to face reality even with Jesus' help'? No, he did not. It was a broad opinion, his opinion, and he did not direct it at you or anybody else. He was saying all that based on his own experiences, experiences without God to hold onto to get him through. Plus, you backed up what I said earlier, that he listened to everyone's opinions. He didn't make fun of anyone's wishes for their boys. Post 14 shows he didn't have an issue with anyone's faith. I'm just like you- I came from a nonchristian home. I'm glad my kids won't grow up in situations like I did. RB is the same way. The difference with him is, nobody reached out to show him a different way. We could all have done that, but it didn't work out.
Brenda, where are you seeing all this?? I went back through the posts and I don't see anywhere that he questioned or made fun of your wishes for your kids. The first sentence of # 14 doesn't speak of just your kids, he meant that in general, but he put an apostrophe(SP) in there for some reason. Nowhere in any of these post does he insult anyone personally, by name. YOU CAN READ INTO IT THAT WAY, but he didn't.
eek... I didn't realize everyone was reading so much into this. When I agreed with becky, I was speaking generally of the whole RB situation, about how he was here to cause get a rise out of people and it worked. Can we agree to disagree on the specific reactions to him within this thread? I don't see this going anywhere.
Sounds like this Arby person will be the one that the Bible speaks of. When Jesus comes back every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that he is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. He will be doing that. When we are taken up to heaven he will be watching and saying why didn't I listen to those ladies and Make Jesus my Lord.
If we're gonna start shouting, is anyone going to hear? Personally, I will go back into the woodwork gladly and I imagine others will too. Raised voices do no good. And all caps online are just that. Glenda wondering why on earth she is here?!!?!
Okay, Glenda, here's a good example of a post being taken the wrong way. I wasn't yelling, I just can't make the options work for me so that I could use italics. I just can't figure them out, so I used capitals. I figured if I used lower case Brenda would think I was saying something else. So, that's all it was, I'm technology-challenged. I was not yelling.
Glenda, Becky was not yelling that is just her way of speaking and we all understand she is trying to get something through to us. It's not yelling. She is a wonderful person and wouldn't want to hurt anyone just has a point she wants to get through to us.
Php 2:14 ¶ Do all things without murmurings and disputings: 1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. Mt 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Pr 29:11 ¶ A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. Pr 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
I think we just need to except each other's feelings and get on with it. Brenda, I am in the same boat and felt like even though my name was not mentioned, a part of me that had something to do with it was belittled. Everyone takes things differently, and luckily for Arby/RB, Becky was able to see a different tone and talk to him about it on a different level...good for her. Let's move on and regroup, shall we?
