Disgusting UN stuff again

The Bible does address sex...many many times. God has a plan for sex in a married couple's life. God created sex for reproduction, for intimacy, created to be enjoyed apart from reproduction between married couples. I can quote verses from a series on sex in marriage from church but I won't bore you..lol. I'm sure you see my point.

And I also did not expect the UN to have a mind like Christ. I was simply saying that my dislike for the treaty is based on my worldview which is not the worldview of everyone so of course there are going to be things I disagree with.

I agree with the above list of sexual immoralities as being sick. I also think that sex education is not bad...quite the contrary. I personally think that teaching children to masturbate will cause more problems...and again we are talking about teaching 5 year olds. If I taught my kid to masturbate at 5, most would be outraged.

I believe the problem centers on how many Americans view their freedom and American soverignty. Many feel that adopting UN treaties and policies will threaten that soverignty. Americans are raised with pride toward our founding fathers and the idea of a free country where we sail our own ship. Anything that comes to threaten freedom...or ability to choose, another country or organization having any power over our life, or capitalism..anything of that nature gets a harsh reaction. One world government appears to be a threat to American freedom. I am for deregulation as it is, I can't imagine one world govt. Besides, for those of us that are Christians we see it also from a biblical perspective.

I am all for the US not signing the treaty. Sadly, that decision in all our American glory and freedom will not be up to us. I think that is what scares some of us. However, I see your point about other countries and I agree.

I completely agree with this statement. I am as American as apple pie but this could not be better said. We do need to keep in mind that this is an international document that does not consider the American way of life.

 

That was the Fox News sensational headline; from what I can tell, that's not the purpose of the UN report. The report consists of a series of recommendations for children in four different age groups, with material that is age-appropriate. It's designed to help children, not harm them. The topic that was headlined is simply explaining to a young child why they sometimes like playing with themselves. Haven't we all encountered young children who do this, not understanding the embarrassment they are causing around them? If parents won't explain to them, the UN is suggesting that others should. Also, young children should be aware that it's very wrong for others, especially adults, to be touching them there. I agree that, in a responsible family environment, such teaching would not be needed - but millions upon millions of children lack such a loving environment and face daily abuse.

Sadly, I think Fox News is stirring the pot in the way it's presenting this report.

 

Thanks Steve! (oh and if I ever call you "Stever" forgive me...I have a tendency to slip and hit the "r" button after I type your name...just know I am not giving you a nickname! LOL) Anyway, thank you for your post...I see now what you are saying. THanks for taking the time to explain it. So you are saying it explains masturbation but it is not teaching it or encouraging it, right? Did I fall for the grabber? LOL. I'll read it over in better detail..lol.

 

Do you really think those 11 yr olds are going to school or have teachers? seriously?

 

yes as a matter of fact they do have schools and teachers. A lot of the countries where theses things go on have them.

 

This is true. There are many countries where children learn from a young age to appreciate education because it may be their only chance at a normal life. Many of these children are being taught by good teachers but have terrible home lives. In these instances a teacher can save a student's life and/or future.

 

That's not a logical leap to make.

First, having the right to know and having the right to tell are two different things.

Second, telling someone something and committing crimes against that person are two different things.

We currently have kids learning these things in sex ed. classes. Has there EVER been a case where an abuser went free for the reason you cited?

 

Is there evidence to support this?

For a lot of people, all that can be taught hand-in-hand with teaching a child about how their bodies work.

That is not what the treaty proposes. It simply states that children should know that they have parts that can produce pleasurable feelings if they touch them. There's clear a line between stating simple facts and teaching techniques.

A lot of 5 yr olds know it already. Who has had a little boy who doesn't spend huge amounts of time fascinated with their genitals? Little children often know what the report spells out. The report simply points out that perhaps this knowledge should be spelled out. Heck, I know my kids knew at five. Maybe I didn't say the word masterbation but saying, "I know touching yourself there feels good but it's something you should should do in private. Not out here, got it?" or, "That might feel good but I want you to know you're the only one allowed to touch yourself in that place, okay? If anyone else does it you have to tell me or Daddy right away, got it?" carries essentially the same message. I've said both to my kids even before they got to 5. I'm an abuser am I?

 

Teaching a child to masterbate is not in the treaty. Masterbation is not the end all-be all of the treaty. The general aim seems to be give children and young adults a degree of sexual literacy.

 

I should have read this before I posted.

And FOX stirring the pot? Never!

 

Or as my aunt would say if one of my cousins continued unabated, "if you keep doing that, it's going to fall off."

 

This is very logical. I am talking about a 5 year old baby being taught how to play with themselves. Not a teenager. You can't underestimate what a predator will or will not do. This is the real world and it can be ugly. I don't know where you live, but in Texas CPS (Child Protective Services) would be all over the PS if a 5 year old baby told them her male teacher told her that it was okay to play with her genitals.

Despite what you may or may not believe, a predator would use the law as a cover to molest young children. They will just pretend they were only educating the child. Now, if you don't believe that this will or could happen in this world today, then SMH.

 

I did not read the entire sex ed program but I cannot see where it teaches a child HOW to masturbate but instead teaches a child WHAT it is. I did not read anywhere where it says to teach children it is ok to masturbate. However, I did not read the whole thing.

While I agree that some of the subjects are being taught too young...I don't think it was represented fairly by Fox News. Although I just said that...I will also say I DO NOT agree with the content of what is being taught and would not want my kids being taught this type of sex ed. The program takes the assumption that sex is a normal part of development of a teen and to expect every teen or young person to engage in premarital sex. While, that maybe the reality and most likely is...that does not align with the values I am teaching my children. I will NOT keep my kids in the dark but the overall message of my instruction would be that sex as defined biblically is for a married couple. I will not be blind and think my kids will stick to that but it is my job to teach from what I believe...and there are those who do stick to it and God willing mine will be in that minority.


Another interesting thing I read here it is:

""The development of the rationale was informed by
a specially commissioned systematic review of the
literature on the impact of sexuality education on sexual
behaviour. The review considered 87 studies from
around the world; 29 studies were from developing
countries, 47 from the United States and 11 from
other developed countries""

 

I read the entire thing. I was sick to my stomach the entire time.

First, it is not a treaty. It is a list of recommendations, and the report does state within it that it is "voluntary." That doesn't mean it might not later become compulsary, but at this point, it is voluntary.

Second, the range for teaching masturbation is 5-8. That is the area it is pinned down under. Not older. I don't understand why my 8 yo needs to learn about masturbation, either.

Third, in addressing concerns, the report stated:

I'll leave that for comments, but I added the emphasis.

Learning goals. This is not all of them, these are the ones that stood out to me. These are the exact words of the UN recommendations.

 

Geesh...there is a lot of masturbation in that, huh? WOW. As I said, I don't agree with what is being taught. I wish I would have read that first though...this document is something I cannot support.

 

I will add, that isn't the whole thing, there's a lot of other stuff mixed in, those were the ones that were glaring to me. I think there were 7-15 pages of "curriculum suggestions".

 

Topics like this frustrate me. Just after reading the headline you get a preconceived idea about what the story will say. Everyone is up in arms before even reading the article. Don't get man until you read the actual document of the treaty. I don't trust any news to give me the 100% truth anymore.

Now about the whole masturbation/sex thing. This worries me greatly because I think back to what I knew when I was younger and I know my mom had no idea of what I knew at that age. It scares me to think that my kids might know something before I realize how much they actually know. If that makes any sense.

I started asking my mom about this stuff when I was 8. When I was 10 a girl in my class asked me if I had ever given oral sex to a guy and I should because it was fun. I knew a lot of the slang for it I didn't know what it really was but it made me want to find out.

I think hearing it from other people and seeing it on tv or in books over play it so much it makes kids want to find out because it seems so nice. I think if kids were taught the basics you might find it more grosses them out rather than makes them want to go try it on the neighbor boy or girl.

I would much prefer my kids heard it first hand from me or a teacher than trying it out on their own with some other kid.

 

this is one thing, that stood out to me, "masturbation is pleasurable". ok, that would be like telling a kid, "chocolate is good to eat" and expecting them to not touch the chocolate sitting in their lap?? ok, what kid isnt going to try it when they get home.

but besides that,the whole thing is sad, and i pray that the US never follows this path. another reason i homeschool.

side note, yes fox is biased, but just bc fox reported doesnt mean its wrong.