In regards to banning hs and a nomination being voted on today

Well, i came over here to post an alert to call your senators about the nomination for Deputy Attorney General. His name is David Ogden and he is not good news for hsers. In fact HSLDA put out an alert asking everyone to call their senators and ask them to please vote no on this nomination.

David Ogden has been nominated by President Barrack Obama to the
> position of deputy attorney general of the United States, the second
> highest position in the Justice Department. His hearings are scheduled
> for today, February 5, 2009.

Home School Legal Defense Association urges all of its members to
> immediately telephone both U.S. senators from your state to oppose the
> nomination of David Ogden.
>
> The most important reason to oppose Ogden’s nomination is his belief
> that the rules found in the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child
> <http://www.hslda.org/elink.asp?id=6077> are already binding on the
> United States under the doctrines of international law.
>

This means that Ogden believes that the legal rules contained in the
> UN Convention on the Rights of the Child are already binding on the
> United States, even though this treaty has never been sent to the U.S.
> Senate for ratification.
>
> Homeschoolers have long understood the dangers of this international
> treaty, which contains the core principle that the government may
> decide what it believes is best for each child without any proof of
> wrongdoing by the child’s parents. Ogden promoted the use of this UN
> treaty in the Supreme Court to reach the conclusion that America’s
> courts have the power to overrule state law, using international law
> as their guidepost for constitutional interpretation. Unfortunately,
> he was successful in doing so in the Roper case.

It also means that Ogden is a proven advocate for the position that
> international law should be used to interpret the Constitution of the
> United States and bind the decisions of our elected officials.
>
> If this weren’t enough, Ogden has a history of representing /Playboy/
> and other purveyors of pornography in high-profile legal cases. He
> also challenged the legality of using filters on library computers to
> protect children from seeing pornography. It would be hard to imagine
> how Ogden would faithfully enforce the nation's pornography laws if he
> is placed in this position at the Justice Department.
>
> The United States Senate needs to understand right now that the
> American public will not countenance the idea of the nation being led
> by people who believe that international law trumps American law.
>
> Please call both of your U.S. Senators today to register your
> opposition to David Ogden.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Michael P. Farris
> HSLDA Chairman

sorry so long, but i thought this should be tops on our list of to dos, bc if we dont stand up now and fight for our rights, we will soon have none!

 

Two things:

- The text of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child is here. Everyone's first step should be to read it. They might then look at countries where the treaty has been signed, like Canada, and see what effect it's had.

- I suspect the cases being cited as defending pornography could also be described as defending rights ascribed to US citizens under the Constitution. It would be worth it to research the matter further and see if the email accurately reflects the issues or if it's been carefully worded to ellicit a specific response.

I've unsubscribed from several lists and newsletters that came out with alerts like this even though they come from organizations that I share key beliefs with because I find they're generally crafted to get me to sign a petition or write a letter or jump when they say jump rather then have me think critically about an issue. I was on a "freethinking" (atheist) email list that was horrible in that way (don't think I'm just directing this at the HSLDA or the right wing). Seems to be a trend these days.

 

I contacted mine just a few minutes ago.

 

Thanks, Dawn! I'm going to read through the treaty when I have a chance. I've heard so much about it over the years, not just recently with this!

 

I called mine as well, trish, and dawn, i hadnt actually gotten to read the treaty text, so that was helpful in seeing where the issues might arise.

I find alot of the treaty to be hard to even understand, and maybe im not as smart as others here, but I do trust dr dobson and focus on the family and they are against the US adopting this treaty into law.

 

Of course you are. It just takes time to go through it and practice with the language.

It might be interesting to go through it together here and see what we agree or disagree with.

As for trusting Dobson - I don't trust people who count on me to trust them.

 

I dont understand, how does Dobson count on me to trust him. I mean, if that is the case, our dc shouldnt trust us, bc we count on them to trust us. :wink:

Im not trying to be snippy, I just mean, just bc he tries to inform the public of things like this, doesnt mean he is perfect or the smartest person in the world, but i do believe he has good intentions and is trying to help.

The idea about going through each article of the treaty does sound kinda fun, like being back in pol sci in college. I am a firm believer in if you dont use it you loose it, brain cells that is.

 

:angel: I merely brought this up since it is resurfacing now because it is rumored that some are urging the “president to push for Senate approval”. The US originally signed it in 1995 (according to the UN website) but it was never ratified by the US Senate and I was curious what it was all about. I did sit down and read the treaty this morning. I will say that many of the things listed in the article that I posted are not what the “spirit” of the law is saying; however, as with any law (or treaty in this case) it can be picked apart and becomes more about the “letter” of the law. I, personally, am not interested in intervening in governmental affairs in any way. I was merely curious what this was about and figured that it has come up before. It is possible that it would have no impact at all or that someone in power may get hold of it and completely change the way our children are raised. But that could happen with or without this specific treaty.

 

I think part of the problem is that, by ratifying this treaty, it would OVERRIDE our Constitution. Whether the treaty itself is "good" or "bad", I don't feel it appropriate to give ANY non-American organization that much power over our affairs.

 

Exactly!

 

Well stated.

 

I think that's a good and fair criticism.

 

Amen sister!

 

I agree with Jackie fully with her statement. But after doing some looking into what this Treaty actually says. I did find interesting this tid bit.

1. States Parties shall assure to the child who is capable of forming his or her own views the right to express those views freely in all matters affecting the child, the views of the child being given due weight in accordance with the age and maturity of the child.

2. For this purpose, the child shall in particular be provided the opportunity to be heard in any judicial and administrative proceedings affecting the child, either directly, or through a representative or an appropriate body, in a manner consistent with the procedural rules of national law.

Article 13

1. The child shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of the child's choice.

2. The exercise of this right may be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others; or

(b) For the protection of national security or of public order (ordre public), or of public health or morals.


Now I can see why Parents not just Home schooling families should be concerned with this section.
And perhaps someone here that can read into this better than I can assist me with this question I have. When I read through the last section 13 is this referring to the Government having control over families?

 

Heather, im a heather as well, lol. Its so funny bc when i was reading thru it these are the exact parts that concerned me. Is it saying that, if the child, say 12, decides they dont feel being hsed is meeting their needs, they can go and legally have someone on their behalf force the parents to enroll them in ps?

 

That's my understanding of it. It sounds to me that it would also by-pass parents telling a young 12yo that she "can't" see a 17yo boy she's infatuated with.

 

well, there in lies the problem. once again gov't will try to tell us how we should raise our dc.

 

Not only the Government seeking to infiltrate families but my concern is how many signatures would it now take to ratify this treaty? I was yapping to my husband about this one and I loved his comment over this. He stated that we would thought we would never see same gender marriages, what makes us think that without prayer and doing our part that we will not see this come to pass.
What really concerns me like this Ogden there are judges, people in high places making decisions concerning us that believe this is the way to go and this has been sent down from the Nations so therefore it is law. Regardless and no regard to our Constitution.

 

ABSOLUTELY, Heather!!! Our Constitution is a great document, and I believe the men that wrote it were inspired by God to do so. But we have gotten so far away from it, slowly over the years, to where it no longer means what it was intended to mean.

 

It's interesting that this comes up now as my Sunday School Teacher has been doing a lesson on Human Government as ordained by God for the past several weeks. He's had some really interesting points, and some that got the hackles up of more than a few people. He gave us a great documentary to watch called A nation Adrift: A chronicle of America's providential heritage. it's a great video for anyone who wants to really see how far we've come from our founding fathers ideas for our country.