Ninth Circuit Slams Student’s Religious Expression

That's right, Helen Ready....that was the record my mom had.

 

it never ends it seems
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50044

 

Just another line in the sand....
Peaople will cross it because crossing is easier than fighting...
Others wil not even realise they crossed it, untill they look back and see how far they are from reality. Too sad.

 

It seems the gays are taking the approach of discrimmination in general and not sexually. So, their movement follows suit of miniorities who sought equality in education and every facet of life. It is a smart move for them to make, actually. Gives them a firmer leg to stand on. Of course I am in complete disagreement. So, if they don't use the terms "mom" and "dad", then what will they use? Parent? Geesh, if miniorities had the same public standing their maybe no "Black History Month", just history, like it should be. (clairification: if history was taught from an unbaised point of view, "black history month" would not be needed because blacks and other minorities would be taught alongside every other person who contributed to history.)
I for one, do not see the correlation between gays and miniorities. I guess if I were not a Chrisitan, I may. The secular world tends to view this as a fight for rights and not sin entering in. Oh well, one step closer to Jesus coming back, IMO. The Word tells us that the world will have to get bad before His return. I just pray I can afford to hs until rapture. lol.

 

The difference between gays and minorities is that a minority has NO CHOICE in the matter. You don't chose to be black or handicapped or whatever. But sexual orientation is a CHOICE. Yes, it is an extremely difficult lifestyle to come out of, but it can be done.

 

Amen! I agree. Sadly, I think the rest of the world is slowly being convinced the other way. Which is why this direction seems to be working. I have heard from many thinking and sometimes christian people,"if it was a choice then why choose such a hard life??" Odd rationale to me, but then again, I go strictly by the book (Bible).

 

My response to that question would be "Why do some chose Hell?" My uncle chose to be homeless. He was offered a home and job by his brother, but there was no gambling in that part of the country so he turned it down. My DSSs have seen first-hand poverty, heartache, and despair their mother's lifestyle offers, yet have both chosen that over being held responsible.

 

My response would be "you don't think it's a hard life being a Christian"? No matter how anyone looks at it, life in general is hard no matter who you are, in one way or another. It's a give and take on every side of the fence. So, if anyone ever asks me "why choose such a hard life", it doesn't hold water with me. Anyone elses life is just as hard...just in different areas.

 

I think people can be awfully one dimensional. As you said Jen, being anything is hard. And we all choose our path, the good Lord gave us free will. Some gays have been decieved in thinking they didn't actually make that choice. But I also know some who didn't think they choose a hard life as well, yet did. We tend to live in a world where people choose to be complicated. There is beautiful simplicity in Christ. This isn't to say hard times will never arise...but why face any hard times without Christ. Why??? Because some simply don't believe he is who he says he is. That is really the question people should be asking themselves: Is Christ who He says He is?? Is there any other political or historical person who has changed and influenced the world like Him? After thousands of years, people are still professing the Jesus is Lord! Are we all nuts?? Or is Christ worth taking a look at? Most other religions are fairly young compared to Chrisitanity. And all compare themselves to Christianity. Just seems to me, people would take a long hard look at Christ before denoucing him. After thousands of years, he is still so hated! Why would he be so loved and hated if he were just a man? NO MAN has had that kind of influence consisitently over the years. Like C. S. Lewis said, Christ is either a liar, crazy, or who he says he is. Which do you choose?? That is the question I like to ask.

 

Well, yes and no. It depends on how old you date Christianity. Do we date it from the Ressurection? In that case, both Confucious (551 BC) and Buddha (563 BC) predate Christ. And Hinduism is older than that. BUT if you consider our Jewish roots, Abraham was 2100 BC. But actually you can take it back to Adam and Eve. I mean, who did THEY worship in the Garden?

The interesting thing about Buddha and Confucious is that neither one claimed to be a god. They considered themselves just men, trying to live what they would consider a "righteous" life. Much of what they taught is actually Biblical, though some of it wasn't, such as the worship of ancestors. It wasn't until after they were dead and gone that people tried to deify them.

 

I was thinking more like back to Adam and Eve. However, in the world, I Christianity isn't Christianity until Christ--duh, of course. Sometimes, I guess I forget there is a world that doesn't date a savior back to the beginning of the world. lol.

I took a Buddest Philosophy class in college. I was constantly harrassed by those trying to take biblical themes out of Buddha's teachings. In fact, there are many also word for word, quotes of Buddha that sound like Christ. I also learned that although Buddha didn't claim deity....he was supposedly a virgin birth. I will have to dig up my old Buddest Philosophy books and look that up. In fact, the whole story on Buddha's birth is interesting fiction---probably just made up by a follower trying to deify him. Anyway, students were always saying that since Buddha and Jesus said similar things then both must be just men. Did I forget to mention this was an upper level college class?? uh, yeah. I will admit my faith is often so strong I fail to see rationale in some statements but I don't think I am off by saying that is nuts. Regardless, I still don't see any other figure historically, religiously, or politically, that has influenced the world like Jesus. There are even secular historians who have said that. Here again, my faith may be getting ahead of me. I often have to smack myself in the head and say, "think...talk like you know not everyone has the same faith."

Funny, in the Buddhist Philo class the teacher asked people to come to the front of the room to meditate. I thought that was such a joke! I mean if a World Religions teacher asked the class to pray to God, I am sure that would cause an uproar. World Religions, by the way, was another very interesting class. I am a antropologist at heart I think...I find people and their way of life very interesting.

 

Then you surely know more about it than I do! Sounds like an...interesting...class! All I know basically is what I read in my girls' history book. Though one gal who teaches Sunday School to my kids is a former Buddhist! Perhaps Jesus and Buddhist said similar things because Godly principals such as showing respect and kindness to all are simply good ideas, even to "good" (but not Godly) people.

 

That is why I have always said that someone doesn't have to believe in God or be religious to follow most of the 10 Commandments. They are just common sense.