Not here to start a debate.......

just to educate, as a healthcare provider I found alot of people are unaware of this and all the pg talk has sparked this. RE: IUD This is one article I have found- it was long but this is the section on IUD's

If the third property is true, then IUDs terminate the development of a fertilized ovum after conception, and cause its expulsion from the body. To a person who believes that human personhood begins at the instant of conception, there is no ethical difference between using an IUD, having a first trimester abortion, or having a partial birth abortion, or --for that matter -- strangling a newborn just after birth. Yet pro-life groups actively campaign against PBA's, picket abortion clinics, and attempt to pass restrictive legislation limiting choice in abortion. Some have made negative statements about IUDs. But none have, to our knowledge, picketed IUD manufacturing facilities, or sponsored anti-IUD legislation. This is surprising, because in those countries where IUDs are widely used, the number of fertilized eggs which IUDs apparently expel from women's bodies far exceeds the number of surgical abortions. About 43% of American women will have had a surgical abortion sometime during their lifetime. Women who use an IUD will expel about one fertilized ovum annually (assuming that they engage in intercourse once per week)

:shock: There are many articles on this and I thought you should all be aware that IUD's are really getting rid of a fertilized egg. IE-- A BABY!

 

I was afraid of that. That is why I won't use the pill, even if I could. At least the depo shot puts the ovary to sleep. I would have looked into that more deeply before proceeding. Hmmm. Now I feel optionless. Joy.

 

What is the "third property?"

 

I use Nuva Ring. I will admit I didn't really do research on it - just listened to a doctor I trust. I love it - it works great with no side effects for me. I used to take the shot but I gained weight and my cycle was so screwed up.

 

I can't do anything hormonal, so I was excited when someone told me that there is actually an IUD that does not contain hormones. But.....

 

I AM and WAS concerned about this, so I flat out asked the doctor.

Regular, old-fashioned copper IUDs simply thinned the lining of the uterus so that a fertilized egg could not implant.

Modern IUDs including the Mirena ALSO put out a hormone that is identical to the "mini-pill" most breastfeeding women take.
Re-read what was posted - a woman who has sex once a week will, on average, expel ONE EGG PER YEAR. Not one per month.

A lot of families do natural planning, where they abstain from intercourse during the week an egg is expelled. If you wished, you could monitor your cycle even WITH an IUD, and if you find your temperature spiking and see that you are ovulating, abstain from intercourse during those days as you would in a "normal" family planning method.

With the Mirena for sure, you won't ovulate as often - on average only once per year.

Yes. It also thins the lining of the uterus so that the chances of a fertilized egg being able to implant itself and survive are slim. But first and foremost, it does prevent ovulation in the first place.


This has always been a major concern of mine, and always will be. I was VERY careful to do my research, and after reading up on outside material and being shown the options side-by-side by my doctor (who is the ONLY doctor I've ever liked LOL), I felt that an IUD was the best decision for me. The old styles - the ones that do not prevent ovulation at all and are usually copper - are still available, and last for 7 years instead of 5 like the Mirena. I have a Mirena, and I'm comfortable with God in it.

 

LOL - this explains everything!
I felt this way when I only got pregnant at the same time of the year. All of our kids are born during June and July in pairs of two - two were born 6 yrs 1 dy apart, the other two were born on the same day 6 years apart.

 

I think it means you will expel one fertilized egg per year... now think about this... almost every woman who has intercourse often enough to concieve has had at least 1 chemical pregnancy that she never knew she had. A chemical pregancy is one that just didn't implant into the uterus. it is estimated that as much as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage before a woman is aware that she was pregnant.

taken from THIS site.

I have read studies where women are said to "lose" one fertilized egg per year or more, so what difference is it to use an IUD?

This year alone we have lost 3 little eggies that never snuggled in well enough.


Also.. the hormones in birth control don't necessarly prevent ovulation.. they do however thin the lining of the uterus so an egg cannot implant properly... this includes the minera IUD.

 

The difference is the you are responsible for it when you have an IUD b/c it is not a natural cause, IMHO.

The third property was the whole debate if life begins at conception, I believe.

 

By all accounts, any form of birth control is unnatural.
I find it interesting to see where people draw the line of morality.

 

Not entirely true. I mean, NFP and "withdrawal" are totally natural.

I draw the line at anything that will cause an abortion. Which is nearly all forms of artificial BC. Not depo, since that puts your ovaries to sleep (no eggs to be fertilized). Barrier methods are not natural, but they prevent conception, instead of preventing implantation. That's the big difference for me.

 

I can't do anything hormonal either. My doc recently recommended Mirena...I've just always avoided IUD's in general (even before I knew how they worked)...the thought of something inside me didn't seem right!

 

I hope that this thread can carry on without any feelings to be hurt, but I see it as a very touchy matter to talk about.

 

Yes, Amy these threads lead that way alll the time.

 

Birth control is a very sensitive issue and is something that each couple needs to be comfortable with... what is right for one couple may not be right for another for a variety of reasons. While my choice may not be what someone else chooses, it's a decision that we as a family have to live with.

I too hope this thread can stay on track without toes being jammed and trampled on. Just remember that we have to be respectful of others' view points here. You might not like what someone says but in the end (especially when it comes to a sensitive topic such as this) you owe it to yourself to be respectful in the way you respond (if you choose to speak).

Love to all of you! :love:

 

I knew that about the IUD which is why I decided against it. I stop at anything that would cause an abortion.

I am actually sorry that I didn't mention this to you, Amie. I was surprised you were considering an IUD but I figured it was none of my business. I see now you were unaware. I didn't mention it as to not cause more hurt feelings...and I thought you knew. Sorry.

I don't see this thread getting out of hand. I mean either you agree with bc that may cause an abortion or you don't. It is a personal choice. I personally would not use one that did. However, I guess there are those who consider all bc wrong...so maybe this could get heated. lol.

 

See, in all my research and reading, the preventing of a fertilized egg from implanting is a SECONDARY thing in a Mirena IUD. It prevents ovulation. It IS a hormonal thing.

I could go on a big long rant, but I won't.

THis is an individual decision. After obtaining all of the FACTS I could about b/c, and knowing it was sensible for me to be on a mini-pill while breastfeeding, I decided that an IUD was right for me. An IUD puts out just as much hormone as the mini-pill taken 100% accurately 100% of the time.

And, it's possible that it means one expelled egg per year.
But, from my information from about 3 years ago and what I was remembering, was that on this amount of hormone a woman will only ovulate 4 times per year at a maximum - just like with the mini-pill. And the thinning of the uterus only decreases the chance of a fertilized egg of implanting by a very small fraction.

Again, if it was a concern that a fertilized egg might not implant, one could ALSO use NFP and track ovulation and utilize abstinence during those crucial times. It would only be about 4 times a year max though, instead of every single month.


Okay. I'm done. I'm good with God with my decision. Just wanted to be sure that anyone here looking into options has all the info. Ask your doc. I'm glad I did, because I would NOT have chosen an IUD before knowing about the hormonal influences and it preventing ovulation. After I did more research and confirmed with my doctor, I saw the IUD as the best solution for us. And I don't regret it.

my two and a half cents.

 

Thanks for your 2 and half cents, DaLynn. I think I just maybe working on old knowledge or under the wrong impression. Hmmm.....I will look into it. An IUD from what my ob/gyn said is a wonderful option. I know I had blinders on while he was explaining it. He didn't go into great detail since I said my dh was getting snipped anyway. I guess I should have paid more attention. lol. I think I would consider an IUD if it does not cause abortion. However, at 34...I think I just may be ready for a permanment fix. lol.

 

I have been going back and forth on whether or not to post anything, but I have decided I will not leave DaLynn out there alone. I, too, have an IUD. I, too, researched it before having it inserted, and I discussed it with the doctor, who is very pro-life. IUDs also change the cervix, making it difficult for sperm to enter the uterus. So, if you ARE ovulating, chances are low that sperm will ever get there. And if it does, and the egg is fertilized, you can still get pregnant. They will tell you this when you have it put in.

I have also debated on whether or not to say anything else, but while I'm here, why not? :lol: I think some of the things written here came across as extremely judgmental (in my opinion), and maybe that's how they were meant, and if so, that's fine. But I would encourage everyone to research things completely before posting something like that instead of just going along. If you are not in favor of IUDs, then I have no interest in trying to persuade you to get one. Birth control is a very personal choice and I will respect what you do or don't do.

I think I will be taking some time off from posting for a while. You guys have a good day!

 

Wouldn't it have been extremely helpful if God had just said "ok, you're only fertile ___"
Or if he had designed our 'human needs' to fit into a more dependable cycle like all the other creatures in the world. More of a "human mating season."