What is this world coming to? This is a must read!

"Living together" is not the same as "fornication."

Yes, one usually leads to the other, but not always. My cousin has cohabitated with her boyfriend for three years, but they do not have sex. She's not a Christian and her parents don't care a lick, so she has no reason to lie. She says, "if he wants the milk, he has to buy the cow." They are getting married in August and she is really proud to be entering their marriage as a virgin. She says, "I've made it. Didn't think I would, but I did!"

 

Amie, I'm really proud for your cousin, and no, just living under the same roof is not the same as fornication, but 99% of the time, when a woman moves in with her boyfriend, or he moves in with her, then "living with" means in every room. And everyone assumes it's happening whether it is or not. The Bible tells us to "avoid even the appearance of evil".

 

I agree. I'm certainly not naive about it. lol. But the question was is "living together" a sin. Unless you count the "appearance of evil" passage (for which the meaning is debated), it's technically not. It's just additional unnecessary temptation.

 

BOOM! That's exactly what I feel. I, too, was horrified to read the article. It is more than not my "cup of tea", it is way out of the realm of possibility. I would be furious if my child were learning this.

I was thinking, that most kids wont have what we had when we were young...a blissful ignorance. I grew up thinking that Mommies made a "daddy trap" by batting their eyelashes. I remember reading CInderella, and so on. I just think that these progressive teachers are spoiling our children's innosence.

 

ANY Swedish parent who sends their child to a preschool called Egalia, knows exactly what they're doing. They made that choice, and more power to 'em.

Because that's what it's all about, isn't it? Choice.

The choice to be Christian. The choice to be NOT Christian. And the choice to be the kind of Christian who thinks crunchy-granola egalitarianism is just fine and dandy.

No one's forcing anyone to send their child to Egalia in Sweden. So what's so "scary" about it? I think it's a waste of time and energy to get alarmed over the free choices people make in a free world. My job is raising my kids. It's not my job to try and advocate against other people's right to raise their kids the way they want, halfway around the world.

The problem with trying to make everyone conform to Christian American values and norms, is that it gives legitimacy to everyone else who'd like to make us conform to their religious values. How's that burka fit?

 

Fornication and simply living under the same roof are two totally different things. That is comparing apples to oranges. It's what happens or not happens under that roof that makes the difference. Just meerly living under the same roof does not equal fornication.

No I'm not blind to think that people aren't 'doing it' just because they live together, but yes I have met a few people who have managed to stay away from the temptation before marriage while living under the same roof. Considering they are two of my closest friends and know just about every detail of their lives and them mine, I trust their words. That is besides the point though.

 

JenPooh - obviously I misunderstood the intent of what you said, when you said you didn't know what the Bible said about living together. I thought you meant "l i v i n g t o g e t h e r" in the sense most people use the term... like the woman at the well who was talking to Jesus. The only thing I know that applies to what you meant was that we are to avoid anything that even looks like evil. Even when there's nothing evil going on.

 

I know. I typed before I read what Amie wrote. I got all ahead of myself before I read that she pretty much said what I did. :love: Sorry...and of course, I didn't get to say this until after you caught it. lol

I know what you're referring to though, and when I think of living together my first thought IS 'doing the deed'. I would agree that 'most' people probably are when they are living together. I don't like to assume though, and I think often we are quick to assume that people 'are'. I do think there are those who have more strength to not cross that line though. I guess the trick is to know if you are one of those or not. If you are not, then stay away. If you have the strength though, then to them nothing is going to 'appear evil'.

About the OP though...I guess I can see it from both sides. There was a day long ago when this would have been unheard of, even in other countries. That is probably what scares people and has others up in arms. Sometimes it's only a matter of time before 'trends' start spreading.

However, I can clearly see MegCanada's points too and agree. Although I don't agree with the preschool, I'm glad I would have the choice to not send my child to a place like that. I do think it does a child a disservice though, regardless if someone chooses to send their child there. I can understand their reasonings (even though I don't agree) for wanting children to be around all types of lifestyles, etc...but it's kind of contradicting to not include traditional marriage types, etc. I think it teaches children to only be tolerant of one view...and that contradicts what they are trying to promote, IMO.

 

I agree with this, too... If you're going the all-inclusive route, than ALL types of families should be included, not just some.

It puts me in mind of growing up in the seventies, the daughter of a feminist single working mom. My mother marched in the civil rights parades of the sixties, and she's made of awesome! So I got a heavy dose of "girls can do anything boys can do!"

Except, the ideal standard that was held up to me was always "what the boys are doing". If you were a boy, then you were just a boy. But if you were a girl, you constantly had to strive to be just as good as the boys. It made me very grumpy. I know what my mom (and most of society in the seventies, it seemed) was trying to do - they were trying to correct an imbalance and empower me. But to ME it felt like they were telling me there was something wrong with being "just a girl".

And didn't I just go and rebel by becoming a housewife! :lol:

 

*gasp* You rebel, you!!!