You Have to be aware of this, please....

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  1. JenniferErix

    JenniferErix New Member

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    Heads-up, my friends!

    This is upsetting to me.

    Glad someone told me about it....
    So, I am trying to pass on the favor...

    A movie being released this holiday season for children, "The Golden Compass", has issues of religion you may want to be aware of...before allowing your kids to see it...

    Whatever you decide for your family, of course... just wanted you to know the whole story.....

    http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
     
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  3. dalynnrmc

    dalynnrmc New Member

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    WOW.

    Thanks.
     
  4. KrisRV

    KrisRV New Member

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    something for everyone now days..
     
  5. Actressdancer

    Actressdancer New Member

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    Well, um, ok then. Children's books that contain castration and genital mutilation? What is this world coming to?!

    Thanks for sharing.
     
  6. crazymama

    crazymama Active Member

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    my sentiments exactly.. to each their own I guess.
     
  7. CrystalCA

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    Warning about language, but please read. This was pulled by a book review.
    THE BOOK DOES NOT out right talk about castration or female circumcision. It talks about INTERCISION which is the cutting the daemon away from the child ( it is similar to taking Peter Pans shadow away but much more brutal and therefore the child does not have a soul once his daemon is cut away). The part about female circumcision and castration being referenced in the book, is not true. This is where that "person" on Snopes got their info from. This is the reviewers definition of INTERCISION (in the book) and why the author of The Golden Compass put it in there.


    Lyra’s discovery of Tony Makarios helps her to understand that the Gobblers are cutting children’s daemons away from them in a procedure they call Intercision. Intercision is like castration, in which a young boy’s testicles are cut off so that he never reaches male maturity. Intercision also recalls female circumcision, in which a girl’s clitoris is removed so that she cannot experience the full intensity of sexual pleasure. Both castration and female circumcision are religious in origin. Both practices respond to a religious demand that some natural part of a person be removed in order to prevent sexual pleasure. Intercision is also religious and anti-sexual. It is performed by the General Oblation Board, which is a branch of the Church in Lyra’s world, and it is intended to prevent the onset of “upsetting emotions” and allow children to grow up without ever feeling passion. Lyra knows Intercision is wrong, although she isn’t exactly sure why it’s wrong. For Pullman, sexual experience is an essential part of becoming a full-grown human, despite the confusion and pain it can cause.


    FYI...... THESE BOOKS ARE FOR CHILDREN 12+. Please keep that in mind.
    I will be reading these books with my oldest daughter. We are very open about things and I think this will be a good series to explore certain topics with her.She and my youngest dd know what female circumcision is because we have watched Discovery channels series that explored violence againist women from around the world. It is happening today and it is part of a religion. They also know what castration is and that it was used many years ago againist sex offenders.

    Before any movie that I might take my children to I certainly do research on them. I think instead of boycotting a BOOK OR MOVIE you should see/read them , talk to your children and with something like this it should REAFFRIM your faith not try and knock it down.
    With Narnia that opened up dialogue with my children about why some people would interpet the movie as Jesus, Judas, disciples, the devil, etc. I asked them if thats what they got out of it and they said no but could see why others would believe its about the bible ( as maybe the author intended). The author of The Golden Compass is very anti-religion ( that is not the debate) but I would use it as a tool to help reaffirm my beleifs and better to arm my children on the deceptions that the world provides.
    But I know some of you would not even touch or see it because that would mean bringing "evil" or anti-religious thoughts into your lives. thats a shame because that means you give more power to it and that its something to fear.
    Maybe I should have boycotted Narnia or Passion of the Christ because it was religious but I didn't and it opened up some great conversations with my children ( yes I know Passion was violent but we watch History channel and Discovery channel and they know that life is violent).
     
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    Wow.. Very well put Crystal!
     
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    Wow, I saw a preview for this in the theater. I will definitely have to re-think this one or see it first myself before allowing them to see it.
     
  10. Ava Rose

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    Crystal you laid out your thoughts very nicely. I commend you for doing so in such an intelligent and nonpersonal way.

    First I would like to add that C.S. Lewis did intend for his book to reflect the bible. I think he did a very good job in his illustrations but can understand how some may not see it.

    Second, I support the rights of Pullman to make his movie even if I oppose the theme. Afterall, he is using the same rights Mel Gibson used to make the Passion of Christ and the same rights I use to proclaim the gospel in a public setting.

    The snopes article did mention boycotting the movie and the man's books. I think seeing the movie or not seeing it is a personal decision and not a political statement. I fear no book or movie that conflicts with my beliefs. I do not fear my children being exposed AT THE PROPER AGE to things that may conflict with their beliefs. These things can be used as tools, as Crystal wisely pointed out. (Crystal can you see us sitting in the movie together and each explaining our points of view to our kids! LOL...wow!)

    Having said that I will not see the movie. Not because I fear it. Not because it has power. Because I simply don't want to expose myself to things that do not honor God. I also don't want my money supporting it. Now, if I had a good reason to see it...I would. Right now, I see no positive reason for me to see it. Like the Da Vinci Code, I saw no reason for me to see it. However, my preacher did recommend that we see it so we can learn from it and guard against untruths the movies may support or encourage. Again, if I felt I needed to see it I would have no problem watching it. I don't allow Harry Potter in my home and that is not out of fear. That is because I don't need to see it to know that a witch and magic do not mesh with my belief system. I don't fear the movie will erode at my spirituality. I don't fear my kids being taken over by it. I simply don't support things that go against my beliefs. Who really does?

    I think it is wise to use certain movies and books to open up conversations with our kids. I also think it is wise to guard against certain movies and books. Since I am a praying woman I trust that to the Lord. I have opened my kids eyes to things that do not honor God and I have closed their eyes to things that do not honor God. That is my decision and it is not based on politics or fear. It is based on my family's needs, level of discernment, and how we feel the Lord is leading us.

    I think Crystal and I are on the opposite ends of the spectrum but I think strangely we do agree on many points. I know we won't see the same things in the movie mentioned or Narnia. However, each of have the ability to use these things to teach our children. That is the freedom we enjoy in this country. Amen to that at least.
     
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    For me, it's more an issue of not wanting my HARD earned money going to support this type of "entertainment".

    Our money comes sparingly. And anything left over for fun stuff is there purely by the grace of God alone. I feel an obligation to Him to use it to support local business, Christian businesses, and other adventures that either bind us as a family (i.e. put put) or help us grow his kingdom (i.e. shopping at a mission's based thrift store). I also see value in supporting some social organizations, like our VFW Thrift Store. Those men and women put their lives out there for my freedom to worship, the least I can do is buy a coat there to support them.

    Long and short of it is: I have better ways to spend my money. And it has nothing to do with fear.
     
  12. Ava Rose

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    Exactly.
     
  13. KrisRV

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    well my opinon and here comes those tomatoes I would like some yellow ones the green ones are boring and the red well you know they make a mess. Any way I think there has to be something out for everyone, we all might not like it but thats not the way the world turns we can't please everyone.
     
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    Bravo.. Kris.. we can put all our tomatoes together and make more sauce than Ragu! We need to get together for a cooking party!
     
  15. Ava Rose

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    As I said, I support the dude's right to make whatever movie he wants to. Yes, I know that I only support that right to protect my own...but... I do think that we can't get up in arms over a movie.

    I do thank Jennifererix for the heads up..which is all she was doing. She was not attempting to start anything or make a statement other than know what the movie is BEFORE going to see it. I have heard of this movie but didn't know what it was about. It looked like a fun adventure movie. I am glad Jen saved me the money of being disappointed. lol.

    Now, again, just because it isn't my cup of tea doesn't mean a hill of beans. lol. I didn't like Titanic either. (no moral objection...just didn't like it.)
     
  16. Deena

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    I agree with the things Ava Rose said. We won't see the movie. I don't feel it's needed to prove anything. We've discussed issues like this with our family, and also do not wish to support a movie like this with our hard earned money. We won't read the books either, for the same reasons---none of which include fear.

    I respect others rights to do as they believe as well!
     
  17. Ava Rose

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    I am just soaking in this statement....no..no..don't let the moment pass. AHHHHHH.... ok back to your thread.
     
  18. becky

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    I see nothing of quality in any movie nowadays, no matter who or what it's about.
     
  19. Ava Rose

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    Wise words!
     
  20. KrisRV

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    I have to agree with Becky I haven't found a movie lately worth any of my money...
     
  21. Dolphin

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    Ava Rose, I really like your posts. TX!
     
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