Does this bother anyone else

Lorna, good luck to Isaiah! Hope he gets something, too! Is this the first time he's actually been out? Let us know how he does!

 

There you guys go, making it personal.

I have been remarking on a news story, not anything any of you do within your families. I'm not looking down on anyone because they send their kids hunting.
I haven't told one person here or anywhere what to do with their kid- I have simply said I think it's not right.

I understand it's a regional/family/generational/mindset thing.

 

Hello everyone, I am 16, and Iam homeschooled.
For my first post, I'll discuss the flaws in gun control in response to some previous posts.

First off, there is nothing wrong with hunting. Humans are a part of the food chain, thus if we do not take our share by hunting, the animal population (say elk, or deer)
will become too large. And they will starve, and die in vain instead of putting food on the table.

Second
I personally don't see any relation between Columbine and hunting. There is a big difference between shooting an animal and a human.

I don't see how banning guns would do any good either, taking into account that these countries banned guns,
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?sNav=nr&id=570 , and their crime rates actually went up.
Guns crime went down, of course, but everything else went up.
Then when weapons besides guns become the weapons of choice, they ban those. A waste tax payer dollars busting people for having sling shots.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=65238
Pointless eh?

Because the law banned guns for civilians, not criminals, they will still get guns one way or another.
So the civilian will be armed will a knife, while the guy breaking into their house is packing a Colt .45.
Who are the odds against?
That is why crime rates go up.

Unfortunately, gun laws only effect the law abiding citizen, not the criminal.

I have also done research on gun control for the various political forums I go to.

I hope this (this post, as well as the post below this one) sheds some light on the subject, I am not attacking anyone, I am just voicing my opinion about gun control.

 

These are THE facts about how gun control does not work:

240,000,000 guns vs. 35,000 gun related deaths. So which one is the majority?

Two thirds, but it shows that other weapons are used. Guns are not the problem.

There were 7,236,000 crimes that were not committed with a gun.
That is a vast majority.

Lowest eh? Again proving that guns do more "good than evil".

I thought gun laws protected people? According to the gun control advocates anyway.

Proving that the right to carry firearms works to deter crime.
No blood running the streets, its the other way around.

Wow only four people. No blood running the streets.

Notice how the crime rates way waaayyy down in Florida? It proves that it works. Now just if all states would adopt the right to carry laws.

Less than 1% and they want to ban them. :roll: The crime rate has actually gone down sense the ban expired.

Then why ban them? The term "cop killers" is only used to scare people, same as always.

Wow what do ya know. Criminals buy guns off the streets, the black market, no wonder why gun bans have no effect.

Proving my theory that teachers and other school staff should be allowed to have guns in the school. Columbine could have been stopped.

Why is the blood not running the streets?

Whats the point of banning guns because of "safety reason"? Banning swimming pools would be much more effective.

That is low. The main reason why kids accidentally shoot each other is because they know nothing about firearms. If their parents would teach them the safety rules, I bet that number would be even lower.

24 times more kids are killed in car accidents than firearms.

Those quotes prove that the 2nd was meant for all citizens, not the government.

http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm[/quote]

 

I haven't read through all of the posts... but when you guys speak of gun laws and all that here's a little take on it from a Canadian's perspective...

We have those gun laws now - anyone who had a firearm was supposed to register them with the federal government a couple years ago - many did, many more didn't - because they didn't agree with the law.

All the gun laws in the world aren't going to stop a criminal from getting a hold of one and using it to serve their purpose... unfortunately the laws weren't made for the dishonest people - they'll break them one way or another if they choose to.

As for hunting... around here, hunters hint from dusk to dawn (in the hunting guideline book that each hunter is given when they purchase their license - they are allowed to hunt until a certain time of the day - each day varies but the time is very specific - if you're out after those times, you want to be sure your guns are empty and they're locked up - otherwise you lose them and you get a nasty fine). Those who hunt by shining lights on an animal (which would have to happen after dark I would think) are nailed just as hard...

As for who should or shouldn't hunt, I think that is up to the individual family. If I had a daughter (which I don't and never will) who wanted to go hunting with Dad, I would allow it PROVIDING we felt she was responsible enough for her age, had a really good understanding of gun safety, etc.

I liken it all to this... I have three boys. I would like to see the day when they sew or iron (typically known as "girl" things) or even cook. If they chose to go into a profession that was typically seen as a "woman" thing (Nursing for example), hats off to them! The same would go for a girl... if she wanted to work in construction or as an electrician (typically known as "man" things) more power to her. It really isn't that big of a deal...

 

LOL. Lil' Josh has arrived!!

 

Becky,

Please don't compare me to someone with whom you apparently do not care for. I am not the person you speak of.

I thought that I would share some of the knowledge that I have gained over the past few years about guns and gun control. My post was an educational post, so please don't make it a "personal" attack. You have an interesting way of welcoming newcomers! Would you like for someone to treat you that way?

 

Hey Becky,

Before you pre-judge someone (something you don't like having done to you) find out who they are. You certainly can't get to know someone from just two posts.

PGA, he's my son!

You didnt like being accused of being RB so please don't accuse my son of something equally as sinister

He certainly didnt expect that anyone would think there was anything sinister about sharing his knowledge. I quit posting on this forum just for that reason, too many suspicious minds and cat fights from a few!

What did Amanda say in the past about giving people the benefit of the doubt, don't read between lines and treat people the way you want to be treated? How would you like for someone to treat your daughter that way?

I occassionally read the posts for fun. I saw that one today and showed my son because he is really intersted in antique guns, gun laws, gun safety and hunting, so he posted some info.-facts that he thought might be interesting to the members. I found the info to be quite interesting myself especially for a 16 year old that has done a lot of research and innocently wanted to share his wisdom. His posts weren't directed at anyone they were just facts and his posts were done in a very respectful manner.

I certainly don't feel it is necessary to jump on a young kid based on your pre-conceived notions.

So the next time you want to make a rude comment about someone, find out if you are indeed correct in your pre-judgements of that person and remember you may be talking about someone's son or daughter and their parents may be watching or listening.

 

Settlers, I didn't realize Josh was your son! You must be very proud of him !

 

I don't think Becky meant the "L'il Josh" comment seriously. More of someone who had thought it out carefully before speaking, but spoke very passionately about what he believed. So please don't be so quick to get upset with her! PGA's posted DID remind me of Josh's, too.

PGA, thank you for explaining clearly the facts I've heard for sometime now from my NRA-member DH! There's an article that I THOUGHT was on the Vision Forum web site that really helped me understand the issue of boys and guns. I looked for it, but couldn't find it. If I do, I will post the link. Basically it says that we allow girls to play with dolls, that it encourages and trains their nurturing side. In the same way, allowing boys go plaly with guns and hunt with Dad encourages the idea of them being protectors and providing for their family. Now I know that those that the idea of men as protector draw pictures of fanatical tyrants. These people of their own problems to work through. Perhaps if strong dads would encourage their boys in this way you would have less of these tyrants, and instead men that properly love, protect, and provide for their families. Not to mention the "bonding" that takes place while out hunting, whether it be with a son OR a daughter.....

 

That's exactly right, Jackie, I was joking about the passionate opinion on gun control, nothing else.

 

Jackie... Josh isn't her son - PGA is her son...

 

I was joking with Becky about my son going hunting. I think she keeps the board lively. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings or whatever. It was a joke.
He did go hunting and they saw no deer. Saw alot of other wildlife and had fun together. No harm done. No meat either.

 

OH!!! Thanks for correcting me, Brenda!

 

I am like alot of others that left here. You can't even joke around without hurting someone's feelings. People need to relax and not take things so close to heart. Chill folks. Everyone is going to do what they want anyway. Have fun and enjoy life a little. Everyone isn't out to get you.

 

(Ducking from incoming tomatoes)
Here's an idea... a scenario was described, opinions and thoughts were shared, toes are being trampled on because we don't all share the same opinion...

Can we just drop it now before anyone else is unintentionally hurt? PLEASE (Where's a smilie with batting eyes

 

Lorna, was your son disapointed about not getting a deer? Is going back out to try again?

 

I liked the taking pictures idea. You'd end up with a neat keepsake of the trip.

 

I'll also be apologizing to settlers. I meant absolutely nothing against her son. I honestly thought it was Josh. Josh doesn't post, he posts compositions as though we would grade him!

 

I mentioned that idea to DH, Becky. He found it interesting. Though I personally would have a hard time to not "shoot" people! DH has tried to teach Phillip the same gun safety rules with his play guns that he should follow with real ones...don't point them at people, keep them unloaded (for those that shoot Nerf darts), be aware of where other people are at all times while shooting, etc. It's hard, though, for a little boy not to point a toy gun at friends!