Good point Amie....I must have read thru the other posts too quick before. I never sent anything to my college or grad school except for transcripts and test scores. The only folks who have asked for copies of my diplomas were the State of VA to file my Notice of Intent to HS. Rhonda C.
okay, thats cool then I wont even worry about it... I guess if you have a college ed, then you are correct they wont even look at the hgh school stuff, I remember when I worked small time while going to college back in the day, they looked at GED as a bad person and not to hire them cause they were probably kicked out, but always asked the reason first. I never thought of the fact that some kids who want to graduate early can 'test out' even which is GED, General Equivilence Diploma... right?
Clearly as you can tell...a GED is NOT the same as a diploma. Besides...if you are going to use crayons to make it be sure they are name brand. ROFL ROFL THSC actually has nice diploma's you can order to have as a keepsake. Most colleges want transcripts and SAT scores
hmm, i disagree with this - if you're comparing it as "is it as good as" ... (if you mean is the procedure different, of course)... i have my GED and when a potential employer asks if i have my "high school diploma", i reply with a simple yes. the GED is presented as being equivalent (that term is used on their forms) to a high school education. here is an excerpt from the GED informational brochure available from our department of education: yes, there is the section there about "specifics" - but if you consider the differences in curriculum, varieties in available classes that fall under each subject heading, etc etc (and then all the "electives" and "languages" and so on), you're going to have that regardless. Mathematics, there's not going to be the same *kind* of variety - formulas are formulas - but again, there are various levels available - some students will graduate with a high school diploma and have only taken General Math (not sure if you guys in the US have that designation? we have practical, general, academic, and honours classes - not all for each subject ;;; and i'm not sure if this varies province to province up here even) whereas others took.... hmm, what's an advanced math class... isn't there something called "Discreet Math"? or trigonometry .. ----- i'm not a math scholar, is it showing? :lol: .... anyway. basically what i'm saying is that i do view them as equivalent to each other in the sense that both the {typical} high school grad and the GED recipient have both shown that they have the ability to do X and X and X. each will have their strengths in different areas, and each will have some specifics that the other does not have (how many kids graduating from American high schools have taken "Canadian History" as a class? i'd venture to guess not many... ), but they are both equal in terms of basic skill. (imo) k, i'll shut up now. /ramble/ :lol:
I thought a GED was the same as a diploma. I didn't think that realistically one was superior. Of course, the implication may not have been that one is better. As Amie said, a college does ask to see a diploma. Also, as again mentioned many high school kids take college classes before graduation. I like the point Jackie made about studying for the exam. My dh's grandmother got her GED when she was in her late 60's. She always wanted to and one day just decided to get it. My dh helped her study for it. My dh said there was quite a bit of studying involved.
Well, my last year of teaching I taught 5th-8th grades in one classroom. We studied Canada that year and learned a lot about the Provinces and history, animals and all sorts of stuff! They made big notebooks with the info. we researched....so some of them may still have them! So, though it wasn't highschool, they DID learn about the geography and some history. We had a blast! Maybe if they had to do that later they pulled out those notebooks and used them for info.!
My children will not be getting a GED unless they don't plan on going to college. A GED really has a stigma attached to it and when someone sees it on paper, it says this person couldn't finish high school. That will not describe any of my kids. As far as colleges are concerned, good ones are happy to work with homeschoolers. Most Ivy League schools even will work with homeschoolers on trascripts and records. Interestingly, some state schools will not (my kids will never be able to attend a SUNY school). But all the same, by the time my kids finish, homeschooling will not be so far out there that no one will know what to do with them.
I'm fine with my kids getting a GED. We've heard two stories here of people that are fine with GEDs especially when they understand the person was homeschooled. Personally though, it may depend on the situation. If my kids go into trades they may need it and trade colleges generally don't seem look at them as inferior. If it's university then we may not bother with either but rather use alternate measures, depending on the university.
Around here a GED or a high school diploma are seen as the same. Anywhere you apply for a job...of any status, they say you have to have one or the other, doesn't matter which one. Of course...having a college education does probably keep them from looking to far into the GED/diploma.
My kids will not be getting GEDs only because my hopes are they will beging taking a college course or two while still "in high school". I don't see a need for it. Colleges today are accepting plenty of homeschoolers and I'm not worried about it. Pretty much around here a diploma and GED are the same. Funny things.... My dad has his GED but he never even went passed 8th grade in school. He had to get his GED to go into the Army. He got out and opened his own business and becme a successful business owner. He never stepped foot into a high school or college and he has Blinn Junior college calling him to teach classes. He declined. My husband didn't finish high school nor did he get his GED. Yes he is a high school dropout. He started his own business and is now a successful business owner.
Hi. I live in California and here a GED is not the same as a HS diploma. I actually have both because a GED wasn't good enough (I planned to enter the Air Force). A GED is not for kid who wants to exit school early. The state has another test for that. The GED is designed for folks who left school without graduating. Most branches of the military won't accept a GED. I think that the Army used to require a diploma but has now lowered that requirement in order to allow more people to enlist. Community colleges are plentiful in California. Many kids with diplomas attend high-quality CCs in order to cut college costs. I believe that even if a child with a GED does their lower-division UC or CSU coursework at a CC, then they can transfer just like any other student. Do a google search for IGETC, and it will list the general coursework for UC or CSU admissions (varies slightly between colleges). My son is using this process.
My father never went past grade 9. My brothers dropped out and one went and and got his GED. Both are successful aircraft engineers now. My minister dropped out. He has his Master's dregree in something or other. I tend to admire people that drop out. They're often as not the people who know when something isn't working and aren't afriad to buck expectations and get on with their life. I wish I'd had the guts to do it when I was in high school!
That's so scary to me. I understand what you're saying but I live where more than three quarters of the kids DON'T graduate. And that is a lot of kids. . .kids by the tens of thousands that aren't graduating. Generally speaking, they are not bucking the system and going out and doing something bc school didn't work for them. Most kids are dropping out bc they make bad choices or their parents make bad choices for them. And they don't recover. For every success story there's about 10 that aren't successful. . .never get an above minimum wage job, never are able to get off welfare, never are able to provide for themselves or their families LEGALLY. I do think it is great when someone is able to be diligent enough to go out and work for what they want. . .be it going to college. . .or be it quitting high school and taking a different path. But to say that you admire drop outs in general is a pretty broad sweeping statement. Dropping out of high school is really not the ideal towards which we should aspire. Sorry. . .I guess it's just something that I feel passionate about.
We have something here called an Adult External Diploma program. You use lifeskills to prove what you know, and you get a state of Maryland high school diploma. I left school in '83, but in '99 I went through this program. My diploma is signed by our governor at that time, the state school superintendent , and the only difference between mine and my husband's or my son's is that theirs has their school names on there. Mine is plainer, yet a real diploma. I believe mine even came in a black case like theirs.
MY dad had his own business and had quit high school to join the marines because his big brother had been killed in the Korean war and he came from a big family who needed the $$ to help support it. He was third to last in a long line of 9 kids, so he felt he needed to do this. SO he "tested out" got his GED in the military. I also quoted this because I wanted to know about this going out to college while still high school aged, and not getting a GED, cause that is our plan for ds next year, he will do college courses directly, which is why the whole Ged thing came up. He will have to GED if he goes into college early, wont he? :?:
Dave Thomas, who started Wendy's, was also never finished high school. I think he eventually got his GED not too long before his death, and look what he did. Sneaky, I admire drop-outs who get their act together and make something of themselves IN SPITE of the odds. Those you are talking about, and the ones my DH deal with, are another matter. Most of them are simply rebellious and lazy. They are quite content to live off of those who DID do it!
We're probably talking about very different situations though. The local drop out rate is not anywhere as high as what you quoted for your area. I know that a lot of kids drop out for reasons that aren''t related to getting on with their lives but I tend to place the fault squarely on the school system then. I think it's unfair to place blame on kids who've been forced to attend a system that then fails them so utterly that they drop out. Jackie - Don't be down on rebellion and laziness! It took years of forced schooling to craft those individuals!
Dawn, I agaree that SOME of the blame should fall on the school system, but these young people must take responsibility for themselves. THEY are responsible for their poor choices, not the school district. There ARE opportunities for them to learn, whether it be to complete their education or a different tract. But it takes a LOT of work and gumption on their part. Whether they CHOSE to do that is up to them.
You know, I should qualify what I said. I don't blame them for dropping out. Everything after that point though - you're right.
I hated school so much. I had bigger and better things I wanted to do. I wanted to quit and move on so badly but didn't want to disappoint my parents.
