Homeschooling causes measles outbreaks

Emma had the chicken pox shot and ended up getting a very mild case after she was vaccinated. I was glad. After she received the vaccination, I was kicking myself. I should have let her catch it early on. So hopefully her little bout with it was enough. But who knows, I had the pox as a child and again in my late teens. So the first time doesn't always make a person immune.

Ems had Rubella as a toddler and showed no signs except for the spots. I caught it from her and was extremely sick. If I was that sick, it scares me to think what it is like for the elderly when they get it. I can honestly see why it can kill people as they get older.

 

Obviously, homeschooling doesn't cause measles, but we do represent a fairly large "pocket" of the population which chooses not to vaccinate or vaccinates selectively. Several of the people who contracted measles were homeschoolers which raises the question.

Jehovah's Witnesses also do not vaccinate, and frequently attend school. Other groups as well. But they probably aren't as interesting as homeschoolers.

 

I personally do not have much faith in vaccines nor do I trust the statistics and conclusions about their effectiveness.

I learned more about how the residue of shots build up in the body and cause problems from a dog I had. I was sure that she was going to die if we gave her more shots based on how sick it made her the last year we did it. We decided to go a different route and sought a holistic vet, who detoxed her specifically from the shots and worked on supporting her natural healing abilities. She was no longer incontinent, could hear again, could bark again, could run without any signs of arthritis again, and could grow a healthy thick coat of hair again. In addition, her cataracts improved over 50% and ALL her warts just disappeared. The detox caused her to get frighteningly weak at times, but within just two months our 13yo Brittany Spaniel had all the energy of a puppy again. She lived nearly 3 1/2 more years without any health problems and without another shot -- and she never got rabies or heart worms or even any intestinal worms during that time. When she finally succumbed to old age at 17 years old, we went to have her put down by her original vet and he said that he had never seen a dog of that breed live so long or look so good considering she was dying. I learned from my dog that we simply do NOT really know the long term effects of ANY immunizations and they can possible cripple the immune system so that they are more susceptible to other illness or parasites. I have had two dogs since then and they were detoxed from the shots they received before we adopted them. Neither of them ever had parasites or heart worms or any kind of illness until they neared the end of their life span and both lived longer than most dogs do for their breeds. (We also fed them organic and natural foods.)

I completely understand that measles is a serious illness, but I know from years of personal experience there are other highly effective methods to fight it and other serious illnesses that are not officially recognized by the very powers who push vaccines. As I see it, choosing between conventional medicine and alternative medicine is much like choosing between public school or homeschooling. You can blindly accept what the government wants to teach you, or you can do your own research and make more informed choices. Personally, I don't trust the government to educate my child and, likewise, I don't trust the government to disclose everything about the short term and long term effects of these vaccines whether they are known and ignored or unrecognized. Who knows that without any doubt whatsoever that any one of these very vaccines don't contribute to cancer in the long term?

 

I have been studying vaccines for about 11 years. Before I got married or even thought about having children.

I just happened to run across a book one day and that started my adventure.

I have four kids and none have been vaccinated.

I have done speaking engagements on vaccines and the truth behind them.

I also was asked to write an article for a magazine. It was so exciting to do.

I run a vaccine part of a forum online as well. Which has been more than a blessing for me. I love to help educate people on vaccines.

This article and many like it were such a joke to me.

Sorry to be so blunt.

This subject is a passion for me big time.

I also know that I have not been around much and am in and out, so I really don't want to step on any one's toes. None of you know me at all and vice versa. So I really don't want to come in here and act as if I know everything. Cause I don't. I learn more each day.

So instead of stepping out and giving my input too much too soon. I will give you the links below to read for yourself concerning the op article.

Gardasil Meets Measles: A Coincidence?

by Barbara Loe Fisher

www.vaccineawakening.blogspot.com



I also want to add that I am not sitting here in judgement of any of you. I know that all of us here love our kids deeply and want what is best for them.

 

My children are fully vaccinated. Actually my youngest is due for his next round and so is my oldest. They have never had a problem with them. I am one that believes that if it was a disease bad enough for scientist to take the time to make a vaccine, then I really don't want my children going through that disease. I know everyone has their own opinions and this just happens to be mine.

 

Very interesting article, Healthy! Please don't worry too much about stepping on toes; we've got some pretty tough callouses on them! If there's an area you feel you know about, feel free to inform us!

Aside from the fact that the writer of the (original) article just wanted to "blame" someone, I think the thing to keep in mind is that we ALL make our decisions concerning vaccinations based on what we individually feel is best for our children. Those that DO vaccinate do so because of concern for their children's health. Those that DON'T vaccinate (at least around here) are NOT ignorant, uneducated people. They have made an INFORMED DECISION not to vaccinate. Why? Because they, too, are concerned about their children's health. I'm sure for every child not vaccinated that comes down with a disease, you'll find one that WAS vaccinated who had a bad (life threatening) reaction. We make the best decision we can, based on the best information at the time.

 

One thing I wonder.

There are a lot of people homeschooling because they have kids who are ill, specifically kids with compromised immune systems who can't go to school and risk exposure. I'm just wondering if those that don't vax disclose that fact to other homeschoolers they may hang around?

 

When Phillip was a baby, Rachael's best friend came over to play. Of course, that meant holding the baby! The next day, she came down with chicken pox, so I was pretty sure he'd come down with them, too. Both girls had already had them. So I waited and waited, but didn't find any symptoms. The trouble was, the girls' had Recitation coming up with our co-op. They HAD to go, so did I, which meant so did Phillip. And, since he didn't have any signs of pox, I had no real reason to keep him home. However, I DID know a family that didn't vaccinate. NONE of the nine kids in family had had chicken pox. So I did warn thier mom that Phillip had been exposed, as a precaution. She told her kids to stay away from him.

 

Of course I tell others. We had our first homeschool group picnic on wed. I had a great discussion with a few ladies. One who also has 9 kids and 1 on the way. her first 5 were vaccinated the rest were not.

I am all about educating. I have been studying it for 11 years. It is not something I simply just think about ~ it is something I know and have researched up and down and all around.

I have had people in the past say, that they were concerned having my kids around their kids. I almost laughed. If their vaccines work so well than why would they be worried about my unvaccinated children.

That made sense to them and they had no problem anymore.

And most, probably not all, immune issues in children can be traced to vaccines or other toxins in our homes, foods and environment.

I have seen a lot of changes in children simply by changing their diets and cleaning products.

I say all this with no disrespect by the way. We all face our own challenges. And number one we care about our kids with all our hearts.

 

I've often wondered why parents of vax'ed kids think that way. It doesn't even make sense!

 

Good point!

 

I didn't mean any disrespect and don't take any.

 

:wink:

 

My older 3 boys are vaccinated. My daughter is not.

I had many reasons to postpone her shots after doing some research... but now that I have, I'm discovering more on my own.

My boys are smart kids, but they all have developmental delays. Speech being the most obvious. My oldest son didn't even start talking 'til he was almost 3 yrs old.

My daughter is 18 mos old & is FAR more advanced than any of my boys were at this age. She even started counting -- on her own -- the other day.

Anyways.. that was a little off topic... but I do want to say I agree that most of the problems with outbreaks has to do with the illegal immigrants. I think that if you have enough confidence in a vaccine that you'll have it injected into your child, you shouldn't worry about our unvaccinated kids making yours sick.

 

My oldest and second were fully vaxed. The third had 1 or 2 sets of shots then we decided to delay them... My youngest isn't vaxed at all. I never thought I wouldn't vaccinate my children!
I have looked into the pro's and the cons.. and for me and my family we choose not to vaccinate. It's totally a personal decision for us.
So far we haven't had to deal with negative comments from anyone.

 

Its funny - I teach argument for National University, and this is actually a logical fallacy: post hoc ergo propter hoc - after this, because of this.

Basically, it uses the idea of correlation (it happens at the same time) as causation (the reason or cause for the occurrence.) Yes, those with religious reasons don't vaccinate, and they often homeschool. They have a similar occurrence. It is not a causation. And it is sad that a major news feed couldn't recognize that!

 

i have no idea what you just said. Could you put it in laymans terms.

 

Basically it means that they used a bad form of logic to try to convince a reader of their point. They did try to make it sound like homeschoolers don't vaccinate, when in reality, they were addressing those with religious convictions who don't vaccinate. The fact they homeschool was completely coincidental. There are those who homeschool and DO vaccinate, so homeschooling is not the reason these people don't vaccinate. Coincidence, not causation. They just made is SOUND like a cause by mentioning it the way they did. Does that make sense?

This is a VERY common type of fallacy (want some fun with fallacies? Watch some political speeches/debates! -- it is easy to write, and equally easy to many readers to make the causation assumption.

 

That was much easier to understand. Yep, I agree.

 

I've often wondered this myself.