Jackie
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Exactly.
I think he hit the nail on the head..
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Exactly.
JosieB
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Lol, thanks, Josie! I didn't take any offense of what you said; we can disagree in a friendly manner without it being personal!
Exactly.But, for the sake of people that don't know us and our posts, I thought I should state it. I'm not attacking you and I'm sure you know that, I usually agree with most of your posts though so I just wanted to be clear...
I believe that I am responsible for my behavior, to keep it (as much as possible) above reproach. I believe God requires me to show respect for those He has placed in authority over me, if not for the person then for the position. I have no respect for Obama, for example. Yet I need to respect him as president of this country, because God has placed him in the position he is in. I still don't agree with him on many (most) issues, and I will still fight him on many (most) of those issues, but he is still the president. This is similar to the response of David toward King Saul. Saul had done nothing to merit David's respect, yet David felt guilty for thrusting a spear next to Saul while he slept. David still respected Saul as "God's anointed".
I respect the position of the president, but it doesn't mean I respect him as a man. I do pray for him. I do respect his position and his power. I respect that God placed him there for a reason. Any leader of any country is placed there for a reason, even if we don't see it and see no good come from it (Hitler, Stalin, Vlad the Impaler) I have no idea how these men fit into God's plan, but I'm sure they do.
Just like I have a very healthy respect for the power that Satan has. I do not respect Satan himself. But I do respect the power he has over people. As a Christian I would be remiss not to.
I do not believe this young man was speaking out of a pure heart. I believe he wanted to put down the teacher in front of the class. I believe his motives were totally selfish. The Bible says to "speak the truth in love". Perhaps if you can't do that, you would be better off being silent.
As for the man's heart, no one can ever know another man's heart. We don't know if this young man is a Christian or not. We can't expect non-Christians to be held to Christian standards when we know even Christians falter on a daily basis when are trying to adhere to God's high standards.
But, in the grand scheme of things, I can see how this situation could cause some greater good. Packets and standardized testing are part of a very broken system. The teachers' hands are so often tied by red tape. So many teachers give up after being beaten down by the system. Teachers obviously can't change the system (because they are part of the system and their paycheck is often dangled in front of them like a carrot to keep them from bucking the system). Maybe parents and students can.
And, I don't believe the young man was trying to put down the teacher in front of the class. As a teenager, those aren't the types of things you say to put down and adult in front of peers. He didn't call her random names or get off topic or say funny things. And, until the very end, he was looking at the teacher, not his classmates. If he was doing it to impress his peers he would have been looking at them for their reaction, but he was very focused on looking at the teacher.
mommix3
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We REALLY need a "like" button!!!! I would use it on both of your posts.. It's nice to see genuine christian ladies standing up for what's right and, even though they disagree, they have respect and show love towards each other.. Exactly the way that we are instructed to do.. I look up to ladies like you and I've learned a lot from reading the posts between the two of you.
Emma's#1fan
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He was out of line. My opinion has nothing to do with believing that our youth must not question adults. On the contrary, I encourage my daughter to question everything with self-control. I do not give a hill of beans if the teacher was mouthing off. He should have allowed her to mouth off, then reported her. I am also wondering what started his rant. His opinion would hold more weight if he presented himself like a person with a genuine concern and not a person with a lack of self-control. Yes, we can toss out dozens of examples of how we sometimes get better results if we lower ourselves to the level of those who deserve less "respect", but I teach my daughter that she needs to take the highroad. In the end, it IS hard to take the words of a person of any age as legit when the person can't address problems in a proper manner. It would have been in his best interest to address the issue with the teacher in private or the board of the school.
I would not tolerate this behavior from my child or my husband. I will dare to say that since the mom is applauding his behavior, confusing it with speaking up, that this probably isn't his first public outburst. Getting our point across doesn't come by raising our voices, pacing the floor, and talking down to one another. This is very common in our culture, but it has proven to be destructive and a very negative way to communicate, but instead of calling it for what it is, we call it passionate. As far as I am concerned, he accomplished nothing, and I agree, let him be "passionate" while on the job, with his wife, children, or in any situation that requires communication, and he is sunk. Communication is a two-way street, aside from hearing the teacher tell him to leave the class, the communication was one-sided. As to the other students saying the teacher was cursing, I can count more than a few times where my classes ganged up on the teacher and the allegations were false. I wasn't in the class, so everything I am saying is from what I am seeing. She might have been cursing, but that takes me back to the fact that he should have reported it, not lowered himself to the same level as the person whose behavior is being criticized.
I would not tolerate this behavior from my child or my husband. I will dare to say that since the mom is applauding his behavior, confusing it with speaking up, that this probably isn't his first public outburst. Getting our point across doesn't come by raising our voices, pacing the floor, and talking down to one another. This is very common in our culture, but it has proven to be destructive and a very negative way to communicate, but instead of calling it for what it is, we call it passionate. As far as I am concerned, he accomplished nothing, and I agree, let him be "passionate" while on the job, with his wife, children, or in any situation that requires communication, and he is sunk. Communication is a two-way street, aside from hearing the teacher tell him to leave the class, the communication was one-sided. As to the other students saying the teacher was cursing, I can count more than a few times where my classes ganged up on the teacher and the allegations were false. I wasn't in the class, so everything I am saying is from what I am seeing. She might have been cursing, but that takes me back to the fact that he should have reported it, not lowered himself to the same level as the person whose behavior is being criticized.
