History and Timelines

I am getting so confused! :shock: I thought I knew more than I do obviously! :lol:

I was looking at an outline of MOH and how it relates to SOTW. MOH seems to have Jubal and Tubal-Cain, then Noah and the Flood, then the Ice Age, then the dinosaurs, THEN ancient Egypt and the first writing.

Homeschool in the Woods has the Dinosaurs with creation, Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, Jubal and Tubal-Cain, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah and the Flood, the Ice Age, then the Tower of Babel, then Sumer and Menes and Cuneiform.

So why am I going into Ancient Egypt now, when we just finished Nomads and Enoch?! Does that have to do with your answer, Tina, that it's background info.?

Can you guys please help this poor person who is, for some reason, having all these problems, :? and tell me what order you guys are doing these things and people on your timelines?

Thankyou soooo much for your help!!!

 

Do it however you seem best! Remember that many of these things were going on AT THE SAME TIME! For example, I have Sumerian Civilization dated 3500-2500 BC. The Ice Age also is labeled as "c.3500-2500 BC". So do it however seems "right" to you, and try not to worry about having it "right". Otherwise we'd ALL be tearing our hair out!

 

Okay Jackie, I tend to do that when I'm unsure of things---I sort of panic. Once I get going and do that thing, it's usually just fine and I wonder what my problem was!!! :lol:

Thanks for the info.!

Actually, does anyone have info. on the ice age? Or a site to go to for ideas on it?

Thanks again!

 

Deena, you might want to do a search for Creation Science Ice Age or something like that. We have some books by Ken Ham and the Institute for Creation Research, but they are older and don't list a site.

 

Ken Ham spoke at our conference last summer, and was very interesting. DH got a lot out of it. Maybe when his museum is done (near Cincinnati), maybe we can all get together and visit, kind of like the Hershey trip.......

 

Deana no panic buttons allowed to be pushed here!!! :lol: :lol:

There are some things that we don't have answers for. We can only assume. :cry: .For example the dinosaurs...The Bible doesn't really indicate one way or the other when they disappeared. Some authorites say they were probably gone before Adam, others say they possibly could have survived until the Flood. Remember thats quite possible, because not all dinosaurs were GIANTS..Some were very small, and could have possible gone onto the ark! The point being we just don't know for sure since it doesn't say.

As far as Bible history, the Bible does list an order and is very specific....Tubal Cain and Jubal were descendants of Cain and came after him...There are two Lamech and two Enoshs too mentioned. Both timelines running concurrently prior to the Flood. These are extended family members.

You can just choose to do the timeline that the human family came through (which is Seth) or you can do like us add the cousins of Seth's sons (Tubal Cain and Jubal from Cain). Its more simple to keep the line of Seth going without adding the extended family, like cousins.

If you look at MOH and Home school in the Woods, they are both similar except of course for what we DON'T know, the dinosaurs and possible ice age.. But they have the same exact figures.

Adam, Eve, Cain, Able, (other brother and sisters ...unknown), Seth, Enosh,Kenan,Mahalalel,Jared,Enoch,Methuselah, Lamech then Noah, then the Flood. This is of course the timeline I'm speaking of regarding the human family. If you want to add in the descedants of Cain, Tubal Cain and Jubal you can as well. Obviously they were not Godly people and died at the Flood, since they were not spared...

There are 10 generations all together up until the Flood...Then afterwards, Shem, Ham and Japeth (Noah's sons) repopulate again.

We colored in a chart that showed the overlapping life spans...Adam lived to see Lamech born (father of Noah).....Lamech died 5 years before the Flood, Methuselah died the same year as the Flood (but obviously not in the flood). Very interesting to see what Noah was doing with his time...We know he was extremely busy, building an ark and preaching, but also was he taking care of his aged father? dunno, possible! Whatever the case, Lamech probably knew about the ark too, wondered what he thought?......Sooooooo very interesting to *go down that street* KWIM, even though we dont' know for sure..

I use the chart from that Highland Heritage website i listed before, or did I list it :?

So really you have to decide Ice age or not and when on the dinosaurs....Its obvious something happened that drastically changed the temperatue since animals were found that still were chewing on their cud....We know this to be the flood because of the change in temperature and how the canopy of the heavens was let down to allow for the deluge....

Just for me, I put that time period right before/close to the time of the flood.......

Does that help any?

Oh, and yes, like Jackie said some of this stuff is going on at same time but obviously AFTER the flood when the earth starts to populate again.......

MOH might have been a better choice if you don't have access to a lot of Bible reference material or don't have the time, Kwim? :lol: I just happen to have TONS, so I'm always looking for secular sources that are pro christian.

So sorry you got confused, hope i didn't add to it

SOTW lets you start anywhere you want pre Egypt , Egypt or afterward!!!!!!

T

 

Tina, you forget the other part of the dinosaurs: that there's no real evidence that they DID die out, that they were on the ark, and that it is possible they still exist in some more remote parts of the earth. Egypt is driving me crazy right now, partly because Homeschool in the Woods has so many more Egypt pictures than MOH uses. Well, like I said, I'm trying not to sweat it! I looked for Steve Martin's "King Tut" today, and couldn't find an on-line version that was free to listen to

 

HI to ....? Okay who posted last :lol:

No I didn't forget that part :wink: .....I did include that they possibly could have got on the ark. Its obvious they don't exist now in multitude, if any, as they did then because the Bible says *kind will produce like kind*.. Since we're Bible believers we don't believe in animals evolving into something they were not in the beginning with, KWIM? They will reproduce like kind. So what we have now is what Noah brought onto the ark, what he had then.

Its hard to date fossils and its a whole another realm of science :roll: :wink:

Here again, the fossil records aren't just real clear...., and neither is there really any absolute way of dating.. Yeah they talk about radio carbon dating and tree rings, however, its not without its critics too. Both ways assume that X numbers of facts have to be in place before the correct date is given.. Both kind of tests can be close, or pretty accurate, but not as accurate as the Bible dates.

It does all go back to the reason WHY he created them in the first place.. We know they were here before man, created probably in the 5 and 6th creative days...

It is interesting to me however, that such great beasts were created immediately after the earth was covered with vegetation and prior to man. Regarding their purpose, the question behooves me to ask: *is it possible they were used as, great lawn mowers for a lack of better word?* To prepare the earth for human existence....

Its very obvious that we don't have the tricertops, T rex,etc. which are some of the hugest......Could they have served their purpose, since God has purpose in everything he does, then died off? Dunno.........I find just very fascinating,kwim? :wink:

 

Oh, dear! That was me; I posted from DH's computer, and so the "cookie" isn't there or something so it didn't know it was me. Didn't even notice! Sorry!

Jackie

 

We went to listen to Ken Ham in Portland this morning. It was a wonderful, well-illustrated lecture sprinkled with several fun songs sung by Buddy Davis. The topic was Dinosaurs, Genesis and the Gospel. Ken Ham's website address is www.AnswersInGenesis.org.

 

Oh Geeze Jackie!

I thought it was someone who didn't "know me" and was just"passing through" :wink:

I'm the one sorry for going on so

 

Just posting ideas for those who might not research the above mentioned questions.....

1) The dinosaurs, or anything else, could not have become extinct before Adam because sin and death had not entered into the world.

2) The ark was plenty big enough to include even large dinosaurs, but has anyone considered God sending Noah infant/young specimens?

3) The Bible mentions at least 2 extremely large and "dinosaur-like" creatures in Job and the Psalms: Leviathan and Behemoth:

Job 41:1 ¶ Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? (read on for a great description!)

Job 40:15 ¶ Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. (goes on to give more of a description here as well)


I am completely in awe of the things God chose to include in His writings for us! [/i]

 

Hi Ya'll,

Thanks everyone for the answers to my questions, plus further info.! I am going to process it all and get back to you with comments. I only have a short time right now, so I want to ask a quick question.....

In the History folders, where all their drawings and writings, etc. go, do you put those in plastic page protectors, or what? I haven't been, I just punched holes in the pictures and writings to put in the 3-ring binders. However, my 11-yo has already ripped out the holes in some of the pages, so they won't stay in the rings anymore.

I thought of putting them in the page protectors, but, that would sure use a LOT of them!

Thanks for any ideas/thoughts on this!

 

I'm just punching holes, but I know Faythe will break them down in no time, too. I would think that protectors would get expensive. Probably what I'll do is get those things you put around the holes....what are they called? You lick them and stick them on around the holes and they reinforce the holes. You know what I'm talking about?

 

FYI.....instead of those "thingies" for the holes, I've used a small piece of scotch tape on those edges and then punched the holes....works great!

 

Yeah Jackie, I know what you are talking about. "Thingies you put around the holes" sounds like a good name to me! :lol: That's the reason I asked you guys about it, cuz I didn't think I could afford to put everything in page protectors!!!

Ohhhhh, Brooke... I've pulled what pieces of the ripped paper I could together, then painstakingly wound pieces of tape around that little area. It makes sense to put the tape first! :shock: How silly of me!

Oh well, that's why I love you guys so much.......we all share and we can feel okay to ask questions! It's funny how clear and simple something can be when you hear the solution!!!

Thanks!

 

Jackie,
I believe those "thingies" are actually called "reinforcements" because they reinforce the holes! (That's what I've always called them anyway.)
And, they make self-stick ones now- no need to lick- gross!
Heidi

 

Because Amanda had trouble putting posts on two different places (Thanks, Amanda!), I copied the last part of my post that was sent to the "new" thread that was more about timelines. I hope this is acceptable to everyone! Anyone who wants to continue the other discussion can now do so without worrying about it being in the "right" place....

Here's what I had said.....:

OK, back to MOH! Deena, MOH is written for multi-ages. It has a lesson, then gives additional activities divided by "younger ", "middle" and "older" students. So you can teach elementary and high schoolers at the same time by giving the older ones more in-depth indiependent study. Or you can use it now with your younger ones, and then go over it again at a later age and still get a lot out of it.

Yes, there is a lesson on the ice age. Also posted in the back are some additional resources. One book mentioned is "Life in the Great Ice Age" by Michael and beverly Oard, from Answers in Genesis. Answers in Genesis also has some dinosaur books mentioned. "What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs?" by Ken Ham is one. Another that is good for younger kids is "D is for Dinosaur". Both of these are also from Answers in Genesis.

Another book that we read that I found VERY interesting was "Adam and his Kin: The Lost History of Their Lives and Times"" by Ruth Beechick. It goes from Adam to Abraham.

 

Thanks Jackie! I'll try to find that and whatever else I can find on the subject.

My challenge right now is finding stuff to REALLY interest my 9th grader. He's okay with it right now, but not excited about it. Maybe that's just the way teenagers are. Sometimes they like it more than they're willing to show! But if anyone has ideas for older kids I'd love to hear them! If not, we'll just keep plugging away, and I'm sure he'll do fine!