Wow, I wasn't aware that they were limiting things so much. It just reenforced the need to watch out for uncle sam trying to regulate everything. I mean I understand them trying to protect the earth but making people freeze to death doesn't seem to be a viable option to me. I have to add, I heard on NPR today that we should be getting a wake up call by the high fuel prices. Everywhere overseas it is much higher. A caller responded that over there the public transportation is just about everywhere. Here, especially in the rural areas it is very limited to non-existant. Does anyone have any ideas for solutions. Maybe as a group we could influence someone in the right place. *shrug*
I have posted this before but I will share again. The company my husband works for goes through gas like crazy. The boss purchases his gas in bulk. It is cheaper for him to do this because he gets a discount. I know a lot of things are cheaper in bulk but I do not think gas should be. It is a necessity. If other people could afford gas in bulk to save a dollar I am sure they would but they can't.
Gas here is running between 3.89 and 4. My DH has to drive less than 5 miles to work, but our church and Hapkido classes are all 10 to 15. It adds up over the week. We have only 1 car, so if I need it, I have to drive DH to work. We've been talking about purchasing a bike for him to ride to work in the good weather. Northeast Ohio can have some brutal weather. I'd walk to do errands, but it's a 15 minute drive to get to anything, and there's no sidewalks. Not only that, I'd be walking through some pretty rough neighborhoods. I keep telling my DH that we need to buy a farm with it's own oil rights and raise our own food because the cost of food is so ridiculous here. Just the rise in that has murdered our budget!
I know a ranch that buys fuel in bulk and they don't get a deal on it. They may not buy enought to warrent a deal but they get a big tanker load every so often. Anyways I think that mostly we can thank Uncle Sam and the big goverment for all of our high price woes. I can't imagine what will happen with the new president (either one liberal or liberal light) I can only see prices get much higher. I think the only one real thing we can do as a group is to really understand what is going on. How much the laws and regulations, and giving up of our freedoms really affects us, in this area and in others. For whatever "good cause." I bet nobody batted an eye when the gov said they were going to start having no burn days, because it is for the the good of all. Except those poor people who use wood to heat their home, a small minority then i am sure. But the answer to this is to VOTE, be active let your congressman know that you want less regulations in these areas so that the free market can dictate this. So oil companies can drill and make more profit ( I mean more oil for us to use), Open ANWAR, let drilling of the coast start, use our resources so we don't have to beg OPEC. Less regulations so that refineries can be built, fuel can be one blend in all states. Put sulfur back in diesel. etc. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
I know some who buy gasoline in bulk and don't really save that much vs. the risk of having a huge tank of gas on their property (fire hazard). If gasoline isn't high enough our property tax is going up an additional $30.00 per month on my mortg payment and dh's insurance is going to cost us an additional $90.00 per month. Where is everyone supposed to get the extra $$? I was just reading an article about car dealers selling the big trucks and SUV's for half of what they are worth just to get them off the lots. Those who already have the guzzlers are hard pressed to dump them on someone else. Where we live a 1 ton truck is a MUST! We burn firewood so we use my dh's one ton flat bed with duallies to haul our firewood ( 2 cords at a time) and our other one ton to drive to town to haul our 2 tons of pellets per trip. A car would not haul what we need to haul.
I got this in an email the other day. There are some tips that may help a bit. Congressman Bill Grant. 4/26/2008 'HOW' and where to buy gas TIPS ON PUMPING GAS: I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are paying up to $3.75 to $4.10 per gallon. My line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon: Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage! tanks he re with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buyi ng in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon . In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low mode, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL. The reason for this is the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as z! ero cle a ran ce between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up; most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON: Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even b e good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favo! r. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil. Companies that import Middle Eastern oil: ! Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels CITGO gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans. If you do the math at $30/barrel, these exports amount to over $18 BILLION! (Oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel. Do not buy from CITGO). Companies that DO NOT impo rt! Middle Ea stern oil: Sunoco..................0 barrels Conoco.. ...............0 barrels Sinclair.................0 barrels BP/Phillips............0 barrels Hess.......................0 barrels ARCO....................0 barrels If you go to Sunoco.com, you will get a list of the station locations near you. All of this information is available from the Departm ! ent of Ener gy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. To have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do. I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) and so on, by the time the message re aches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers !!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people...and maybe we can make a dent in this gasoline dependency. Congressman Bill Grant 7524 Heartland Circle Tallahassee , Florida 32312 Tel. #850-894-1350 Cell #850-510-8108
Great info, thanks for sharing. We only buy from Sinclair because their gas is terror free according to dh.
LOVE to give this arrogant misinformed jerk a piece of my mind...the comment about Saudis trying to kill his families and friends is a HORRID generalisation Perhaps learn a little about the country and people before writing such rubbish Ill be writing to this FOOL, and printing this off to give to my friends....to show just how narrow minded he is. RANT (almost) over
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp This email has been circulating for years and has never been accurate. I am all for supporting American business, but the information here is wrong. My dad works for an independent oil company. Don't assume that beacuse you are buying gas at an Exxon station, you are getting gas from an Exxon disrtibutor. It's not always true. The Snopes article speaks of this. I agree with everyone else that something needs to be done about gas prices. The US certainly needs to do more here at home, but let's get the facts straight.
I guess this would depend on the size of the company as well as the gas company these people are purchasing gas from and what state these people live in. Each state and company differs. This is why we can find gas cheaper at one place and more expensive at another. Being that the company builds multimillion dollar buildings, they can afford to pay the extra cost of fire insurance to operate and maintain holding tanks at the main yard. Still, I do not think it is right that they pay less than the average American simply because they can afford it.
Ooops! I thought everyone was referring to the private individual having a gas tank on their property. That is what I was referring to. I know about 6 people who have their private above ground tank on their property for their personal use gas. My concern would be having a big tank of gas on my property 100 feet from my house. KWIM?
$4.45ish per gallon. Gas prices stink and are majorly affecting us. We live 23 miles from the interstate, so we are about 25 miles from a grocery store (other than Texaco), a dentist, doctor, library, etc. You name it, it is over $9 in gas just to get there and back. I just plain don't go anywhere, unless I have to. I go to my doctor appointments, and that's it. My husband stops after work and gets whatever groceries we need. We even cut out our Sunday morning service and mid week service and are only doing Sunday evening service. It's just out of the budget. We live on a pretty tight budget anyhow, and this is making us get creative. After the new baby arrives in a couple of weeks, and when I heal-up and have baby Adrian on a schedule, I think I'll try to do quite a bit of fill-in type of baby-sitting. Not a consistend five days a week gig with the same kids, but put up a flyer at the Mom and Pop texaco type store in town and try to get a few "date night" paid babysitting jobs in. Just an odd one once or twice a week would pad our budget so that I can buy my sanity mocha once per week, along with allowing us to once again have a date night every couple of weeks. I used to just trade childcare with friends, but really, it's not much of an option anymore. I have four, including a one year old and almost newborn, and they have 1-2 older kids, that are pretty self-reliant. To keep it fair, I would have to watch their kids 4-5 times to my one time. Oh...the joy of the child-bearing years! : ) I'm not complaining...it's just the stage of life right now, and I look forward to being past the baby stage of life. Of course, then it won't be gas prices that are the issue...it will be something else right? I heard that our grocery bills can be expected to go up 80% in the next two years. Yikes!
We just put gas in the car for $4.49 a gallon. The station was near my sister's house, about five miles from here.
I just filled up here at Walmart in San Antonio for $3.89 but because I got a Walmart gift card from there it took 3 cents off of each gal. I have been cutting down my speed making sure I leave early enough that I don't have to rush. So I am driving 65 instead of 70 I am actually seeing a savings. I heard mopeds are sold out in a lot of places. Sam
On a different but the same note. My uncle is in charge of price increases at the local grocery store. He said that the price increases used to be 2-5 cents. Now he is getting 50 cents to a $1.00 price increases on products that are like 2-3 dollars to start with. That is a huge change. I know our store is fighting to keep milk below $4 a gallon.
I asked my ds who also does price changes for our local store and he said the prices are going up very little and some prices have actually gone down. The largest increase he saw was for coffee at 70 cents.
I've also heard there are waiting lists to buy some small cars here in San Antonio. I am SOOOO glad we got rid of dh's SUV last year!!
As a price update I bought diesel today for 4.36 and gas was at 3.87. I don't think our little town has seen 4 for gas yet. I am pretty sure it is that much in Austin While grocery shopping at HEB (texas mostly) and started chatting with the Produce manager. I teasingly told him I wish it would do some good for me to gripe to him about the price of the fruit. Because apples had gone up about 52 cents/ lb. and oranges were on SALE for something like 1.36 / lb. I told him it was crazy, and that I would trade him my oldest son for some apples, and he said the apples were saleing for more on the blackmarket then kids and kidneys right now. LOL. But more to the point he said he felt guilty because he spent most of yesterday raising prices, and they were significant increase much like the apples. He also mentioned that he had heard from SA (headquarters) to expect more in the comming weeks, and to prepare by making sure they had plenty of the 1 and 2 numbers to put in the signs. (like no longer 69 cents/lb its going to be $1+/lb) AHHHHHH Oh well I guess we can only hang on for the ride, and hope its a short one.
Here in Norway the price is $10 per gallon. AND we have 30-40% income tax AND 22%sales tax plus more. Of course, we have free health care, but that's a different story.
It's $4.01 for 87 octance here. Took $81 to fill up my van yesterday. I've cut my driving back ALOT so I now only fill up 2ce a month...not bad for living 12 miles from NOWHERE.
