This thing on baby parts seems more like a rumor then facts. I looked it up on line and most of it is from religious sites against abortions. Its illigal to sell any body parts so how would they get away with it? I read one site saying...."Oh but they are sneaky, and they are doing it behind everyones back" Can anyone give me hard court case facts that they were taken to court on it? Not challenging anyone just want to know if it is true I would like to see where this rumor has started? Please I dont mean from a rinky dinky made up website I mean direct link from a court file. I dont even trust any major newspaper now adays they print what shocks people now a days. Sam
Sam, I have some picture of aborted babies from a debate I did a long time ago. I will be happy to email them to you. Please give me time to get them from their box but I do have some. One is of a babies head, one if of a partial body and I can't remember what the other one is of. I do not want to post them here because they are gross. But even if they aren't mutilated, it is still wrong even if they came out whole.
Sam, Handsome got the box for me. I am scanning them to my computer so if you are interested pm me with you email address.
I am interested in the question posted about those who fel it is the woman's choice of what to do with her body, do they fell the baby in them is not alive. If they feel the baby is alive, how is it different from Honor Killings? Again, just curious because that was a really good point made about not thinking they were alive. And yes, this group rocks, because we CAN disagree.. I am not interested in changing minds, that is impossible. It might happen if you choose to change how you view things because of what I say, but mostly I am interested in hearing how people define stuff.
Here is another thing I was thinking about... Can you commit a bad act, and still admit that it was bad? For example, can you run around at all hours of the night frying on acid, while breaking into empty apartments, and eating stolen snacks from stop n go..... And still admit it is wrong to do so and that you were a messed up kid for doing so, BUT that it was the ACT that was wrong and not the person... I can.. that was me! Just because I have done it, and might have done it again if in the same situation, doesn't mean that I can't admit that it wasn't exactly the right thing to do.
Jen, we have a woman that goes to our church. She is the daughter of a Baptist preacher, but has lived on the streets for the last 30 years. About a year ago, she came back to the Lord. She told me that she KNEW what she was doing was wrong, that what she had been taught as a child was right. She would actually pray that God would keep her safe before she'd go buy her crack, because she knew in her heart that God was for real, and she knew how wrong and dangerous her behavior was.
for frugal. of course you know because you looked that there are no court cases. i dont know why you say things that indicate prolife organizations lie all the time, but i did find a couple sites that explained why the clinics that profit from selling baby parts cant be prosecuted, or taken to court. i dont know how to put links on here, so here is the address. www.prolife.com/HarvestingAbortedBabies.html scroll down and there is an article that is helpful by mona charen who writes for the magazine american enterprise institute called body parts for sale fetal harvesting www.ldi.Abortion_Information/Baby_Body_parts/index.cfm this is life dynamics home page with a box that says baby parts marketing these may at least be informative as you may just google do clinics really sell baby body parts and get a lot of other sites. so to totally answer your question or request i cant give you any links to specific court cases, because there arent any court cases because it isnt totally illegal. but i can tell you a brain sells for $999 and the farther along the better.
Mama, I'm "on your side", but that's a rather judgmental statement. I think Sam was asking an honest question. I'm guessing she looked, because she wanted to know. When she couldn't find the info she wanted, she thought someone else might have it. Please don't jump down her throat!
wow after i sent my reply i noticed that it makes those addresses links so great! also in case you dont want to take time to look up my links, i will say that selling body parts is legal if you are only getting paid for the expenses of providing said body part and since these babies were never wanted they can get by without signatures from parents wanting to donate their baby. Very sad but very true:cry:
i know i know she wasnt being a snot, i was agreeing with her. there is not any court cases. but to say she doesnt trust religious sites against abortion or rinky dinky madeup sites whatever that is, why are we all of a sudden not trustworthy because we love God and want to uphold his law. i was just asking her why she thinks people like me would lie? honestly planned parenthood is sneaky and they do go around behind everyones back, have you ever seen them publish an article on what portion of their profits were from fetal parts? no offense, im not jumping down her throat, just answering her question!
Aborted babies are also used for Vaccines how you all feel about that one? I am frankly appalled by this one ..this just continues to just make me sick to my stomach how we can have such a careless heart towards a life that God created in his own image , but at the same time our God will his vengeance when he returns and I think everyone of the children that have been aborted will be by his side as they already are now! Here is the website so you can see for yourselves eadshome.com/vaccines.htm add www. first
I agree that Planned Parenthood is sneaky. She is just pointing out the bias of the sites she found. And they ARE biased (which doesn't mean that they're wrong). She was just asking if there was anyplace that supported the facts that was a little LESS biased. You would be the same way! If someone looked up info on a Crisis Pregnancy Center, they would find a lot of negative stuff, all written by pro-abortion people. You would question the information, based on the bias of those sites. Sam is wise to consider the sources, nor did she say that anyone was lying.
lying vs rumor well, to me when you say people are just spreading rumors that kind of insinuates that someones lying. I understand the whole bias thing, i guess no one is not biased in one way or another. ive never even heard of anyone not having a passionate opinion on this topic, so that is going to be hard to come by. i was just pointing that out. everyone on either side has an opinion. thats what the websites are for. but if she wasnt saying that someone was lying, then i was mistaken.
Ok..not upset here... just in shock a bit and a bit confused with Patty and mama pea on what they are trying to say to me. I know things come out different when you type to some people on the computer especially when you cant really show your expressions but I am really being nice here Patty when I ask where did this come from that you would think I would want to see pictures of aborted babys? I am Pro Choice but it dosent mean I would have an abortion or try to persuade others too. I know that Planned parent hood does abortions its on their website. Am I missing something? I am very confused on why you want to send these to me? Was it on a court case you did with Parent hood saying that they sold babys? If it is umm I dont need that kind of evidence I assure you paper work would be fine. You might want to reread my posts..maybe you meant to send that to someone else? Maybe we are both missing something here I am totally baffled. I asked for basic facts for those rumors that Parent Hood sold baby parts mama pea NOT that that you are a lyer. Do you believe every site that is out there Christine or Non? ProChoice/ProLife I sure dont and you shouldnt either. You said earlier in your post "If you dig deep I would find it" So I am digging its the research librarian/Journalist in me. I pointed out that the sites that I had saw so far were just rinky dinky sites put up yes sorry some of them look like they are Christine some werent. Heck I can put up a site fast right now and say I am a Christine Church of South Texas Ranch but would the stuff I put on it be true? I was looking for like maybe court cases or something substantial that I could research, sorry if it sounded different. I will look at those sites you gave me thank you, and thank you for not thinking I am a snot hehe I havent heard that saying in a long time. Sorry if I made y'all upset I had no intentions of doing that to either you but you have to admit when someone says something as powerful as "Parent hood sales baby parts" and this is the first I have EVER heard of this I am going to research it more. If they are I WANT to know about it because that would be horrible. Sam
Applause for Frugal!!! Oh I am so happy to have met someone who actually cares enough to dig deep. That proves how smart you are. and no i dont believe everything i read just because they are prolife. have you ever heard of focus on the family or dr james dobson? well, we love his program here and put great weight on his opinion. maybe he has something on his web site i dont know? i wish i knew of someone personally, but you can look up those legislative bills and read what they say. it is kind of a grey area that planned parenthood can work with. anyway just wanted to thank you for caring enough about this issue research it. i too am a researcher at heart and find it gratifying to get the whole scoop
rumors vs lying Not sure what to say on that one Rumor vs lying Perhaps I used the wrong word sorry. The dictionary has it as 1: talk or opinion widely disseminated with no discernible source 2: a statement or report current without known authority for its truth 3archaic : talk or report of a notable person or event To me it was "something said that could be true or not" This is what I thought it meant. Sam
I'm glad you both are "hanging in here," as well as everyone else, too. We're learning more than just the topic at hand--we're learning that with good communication skills, any topic can be examined.
Sorry for the confusion. There was no ill intent in my post. I assure you of that. I must have misread your post. I know you were looking for links to validate that aborted parts are sold. So I assumed you wanted pictures of aborted babies too. So you have my deepest apologies.:angel: Next time I will ask for clarification before I post.
I'll admit that I'm the confused one, now. Uneasy. Like this conversation isn't finished yet. At least I still don't understand fully how some things are rationalized. Maybe seeing how other homeschool moms whom I admire resolve these seemingly illogical (to me) positions will help me. I took the liberty of going back through the thread, deleting some lines and spaces for the sake of brevity, ('Hope no one minds!), and copying some questions on both sides of the issue, hoping that they can still be spoken to.
